Comments by daily
Posted on July 31 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
tonijean613 and all others
A small fact that is not known to most of you.....all of these details as they are called used to be private. Meaning that the employer was not the city but rather the entity them selves. The police officers that worked these details were paid directly by the entity and not the city. In a not so distant past...say 5 years ago...some chief decided that he did not like the idea that his officers had the ability to make money and he could not. These details were run by officers and only some members of the police departmnet worked them...MHA, Proctors, Davis Vision, Bar 1, The Feast, Mt Carmel and the list goes on. The city came up with the idea that all of these details should no longer be managed by the officers and that they should all be placed out to bid. These details were now given out to the most senior bidders on down the line. SO why the big deal here. The city chose to make these detail police functions and no matter who pays for them the officers are working them and should be compensated all around. If that includes that this money can count towards their respective pensions oh well. You ALL seem to forget that many of these officers do live in the city this poster included and that we have to pay the taxes that you do as well. We also have to pay with the broken noses, teeth, torn ligaments, broken bones and so on.....oh and lets not forget the constant ridicule that these types of forums allow. I beg any one of you who feel we don't deserve the money that we earn to explain to me why it is that we do almost as many calls as APD but get paid less and have over half the manpower. or why the troopers make a substantially larger sum of money and yet they do less work than SPD. I am so tired of hearing people complain that they don't get a pension and we so and that they have to pay for it. Its called civic duty...you live in the community and therefore you shoulder some of the burden of the community as well. What you should be doing is asking why we cant retain our officers and how can we find a way to pay them at the rate that the rest of the state is at.
If you want a pension go take a state test or a civil service test like the rest of us did and get into a sector that provides these types if benefits....stop worrying about what other have and concentrate on how to make your life better!!!
Posted on July 30 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Reader1 - I would invite you to drive throught Hamilton Hill, Mt. Pleasant and Central State St during any weekday during normal work hours and see how many abled bodied people of working age are loitering, with no place to be or thing to do. I am sure children and the elderly are included in the costs of welfare. However, how many people who can, and more importantly, should be working, are not because they have no reason to. Why work when you can get everything you need handed to you?
Posted on July 30 at 7:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I believe this comes down to a disagreement over the definition of Private Detail.
What is the intent of the law?
Posted on July 30 at 12:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hard to stereotype when its reality.
Posted on July 29 at 8:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
joycemadre - Yes, fire and police are expensive, the two biggest line items in the city budget. Imagine what Schenectady would be like without emergency services. Complaints are made because of overtime costs, however nobody objected when the PD's strength was slashed from 168 to 145. The dirty little secret nobody likes to talk about is that it cheaper to pay out the OT then it is to pay for extra cops. So, are they the reason that your property taxes are so high, or is it because of the ever growing amount of money that is handed out to social welfare recipients, as indicated in posts above? How much of your county tax dollars, provided by those who do, go to those who will or can not? God forbid someone defend those who keep you safe every night. Instead lets concentrate on those poor people who just need to sell their food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar in order to support their other habits.
Posted on July 29 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
something that was not* designed... typo
Posted on July 29 at 2:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A solution: Parents should be parents, instill not only ethics, but a work ethic into their children. That starts at home, leading by example. Get an education, find a job, enjoy life. That should be every Americans dream. Instead, there is a generational shift to the left, of letting other people work for them, and collecting assistance from both State and Federal governments, causing a reliance on something that was designed to support people for their entire lives because they have "A.D.D." or "P.T.S.D.", from watching their father or mother get arrested when they were five years old. The solution starts at home, from a young age, when parents are supposed to teach things like, integrity, ethics, and morals. Somewhere along the line, these principals were lost to a culture of government reliance. Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.-JFK You might find the "Solution" your looking for in that statement.
Posted on July 29 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Joycemadre - Not sure I see anyone here complaining about being a police officer. Its more about pointing out the inaccuracies in certain statements made. There is a residency requirement for the police officers. Their pensions are not determined in the manner in which Ms. Moore states. I am sorry if you haven't gotten a raise due to the economy... maybe you should consider an employment change if you are not happy with your current wage and benefit package. I also remember reading an article in this very paper that stated that the City had over a million dollar surplas last year, so the cash flow must not be that bad.
Posted on July 29 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ms. Moore, please check your facts. "Only the last three years of income are used to make the final pension calculation." That is not true. Pension is calculated by the highest three consecutive years, provided that no one year exceeds 20% of the previous year. It does not matter when those three years fall in an officers career.
Tonijean613 - There is a residency requirement. Officers are penalized if they do not live within the city limits for the first full six years of employment. The Chief of Police was required to move back into the City...where does the new Fire Chief and the new Assistant Fire Chief live? Everyone loves to bash the cops. Check your facts. A significant portion of the officers do live in the City and actually own their homes, paying the same high property taxes you do. However, unlike you, they also have the joy of running into the same people they arrest when shopping for groceries, running errands, etc. I guess the quality of their life is not as important as yours.
Posted on July 29 at 6:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The state is wrong to categorize all details the same. Police closing streets or watching over public events such as festas are certainly different than cops walking inside of Crossgates Mall. This will be challenged and won by police unions. Guaranteed. For anyone who doubts me, reason this: you are at St Anthony's Feata and need a police officer because you were robbed one block over, does that officer help you? Of course. Therefore, he is working as a police officer and is entitled to be compensated as such, which includes pension contributions. Period.