Gee, it would seem that calling me a loudmouth is a personal attack. Of course that's OK since you control the forum, right?
So, you said, "we do not allow personal attacks on staff or fellow readers." Fine, but you think it's A-OK for your reporters to insult Americans before the article even started.
Case in point:
"Immigrants make it all work"
Of course I understand editors often choose the title as I too have written published op-eds, but it was very appropriate for the tone of her writing.
If you don't understand what I'm getting at, you are an out-of-touch, so I will try to explain further.
In one fell swoop Sara Foss insulted Americans. We are not fooled by code words like this that mean "immigrants do the jobs that Americans can't, or won't."
Mark, did it ever occur to you and Foss that when you say that there are shortages of high-tech workers, you are dismissing and insulting us? Same for others like doctors, nurses, and horse manure removers. Now, I'm sure it didn't occur to you, so now you are being told.
I doubt many of us would have been so angered if Foss would have done the job of a journalist and did a little research on the entire issue, instead of giving just one point of view. My characterization of Foss as a hack writer sure fit the material she wrote. I note she has won various awards for journalism so I don't think I'm wrong to judge her to a higher standard than I would a blogger. Am I being unfair?
You say you want intellectual debate. That's all fine and dandy, but Foss started it off by spitting in our faces. Her "let them eat moldy bread" commentary leaves me to believe that was exactly her intent.
The problem with online forums like this is that they have the pretence of being free thought but in reality they are often ruled by control freaks. My first impression is that you were one of the freaks, but now I think the problem is that you guys stepped into an issue that is far more complex than you had imagined.
If you are wondering why many of us are accusing you and Foss for being elitist, I hope this cleared it up. If you care to do real reporting, I'll be glad to talk to anyone at your newspaper.
There are numerous distortions and factually incorrect statements in Foss's articles, but her shortage shouting might be the worst part.
Worker shortages according to Sara Foss.
* nurses and other health care workers * physicians and surgeons * computer software engineers * engineers * bio-technology * scientists * university professors * horse racing * farming and agriculture * low-wage, low-skill jobs * skilled workers throughout the United States
In other words, according to Sara Foss, there is a shortage of just about every kind of worker in the U.S., whether educated and uneducated. If that were true, the unemployment rate would be going down and wages would rise across the board. Is the employment situation that good in NY?
To learn the truth about H-1B and outsourcing, and to find out why shortage shouting like the kind the Gazette endorses are false, go to this website:
Robarge censored my comments, which is proof positive that this newspaper doesn't tolerate open discussions of the issues. Apparently this online forum was designed for the few people who read the Gazette to praise and worship its writers.
Since Robarge thinks I should discuss issues without questioning the credentials of writers like Sara Foss, so be it! In my next comment, I will do exactly that.
Posted on August 13 at 2:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gee, it would seem that calling me a loudmouth is a personal attack. Of course that's OK since you control the forum, right?
So, you said, "we do not allow personal attacks on staff or fellow readers." Fine, but you think it's A-OK for your reporters to insult Americans before the article even started.
Case in point:
"Immigrants make it all work"
Of course I understand editors often choose the title as I too have written published op-eds, but it was very appropriate for the tone of her writing.
If you don't understand what I'm getting at, you are an out-of-touch, so I will try to explain further.
In one fell swoop Sara Foss insulted Americans. We are not fooled by code words like this that mean "immigrants do the jobs that Americans can't, or won't."
Mark, did it ever occur to you and Foss that when you say that there are shortages of high-tech workers, you are dismissing and insulting us? Same for others like doctors, nurses, and horse manure removers. Now, I'm sure it didn't occur to you, so now you are being told.
I doubt many of us would have been so angered if Foss would have done the job of a journalist and did a little research on the entire issue, instead of giving just one point of view. My characterization of Foss as a hack writer sure fit the material she wrote. I note she has won various awards for journalism so I don't think I'm wrong to judge her to a higher standard than I would a blogger. Am I being unfair?
You say you want intellectual debate. That's all fine and dandy, but Foss started it off by spitting in our faces. Her "let them eat moldy bread" commentary leaves me to believe that was exactly her intent.
The problem with online forums like this is that they have the pretence of being free thought but in reality they are often ruled by control freaks. My first impression is that you were one of the freaks, but now I think the problem is that you guys stepped into an issue that is far more complex than you had imagined.
If you are wondering why many of us are accusing you and Foss for being elitist, I hope this cleared it up. If you care to do real reporting, I'll be glad to talk to anyone at your newspaper.
Rob Sanchez
www.JobDestruction.info
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