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Why teachers resist scores
Tuesday, April 1, 2008

Further to my comments on whether teachers ought to be evaluated according
to their students' test scores, I strongly suspect that what's going on
here is simply job protection, as I say in my column today (Tuesday) in
the Daily Gazette.
I take note of the responses I have received from a couple of teachers, to
the effect that it's not their fault if some kids don't learn. Some kids
are genetically deficient, some kids just don't want to learn, which may
or may not be. I am not the expert, though I'm prepared to believe that
not all kids are equally capable or equally motivated.
Still it's relative improvement we're talking about when we're talking
about test scores. Do even poor students do better under one teacher than
under another? That might be worth measuring and worth taking into account
when deciding whether to grant new teachers lifetime job security.
Why do teachers resist it? Why do they resist "merit pay"?
I guess because they like having what I would like to have too if I could
get it -- a nice safe job with guaranteed annual raises regardless of
how well I perform.
My question is: Do they explain this ethic to their students in civics class?




comments

April 1, 2008
2:09 p.m.

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doggbreth ( no real name given ) says...

I think most of us agree with what you continue to say about teachers, tenure, merits, cushy jobs, etc. But why continue to beat a dead horse when you yourself know the answer. The teachers union is so strong noone can do a thing about it. Our taxes will continue to go up forever. Voting no on school budgets doesn't do any good. There's nothing we can do. Why continue to write about it?

April 1, 2008
2:56 p.m.

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Catcherinwheat ( no real name given ) says...

Of course teachers resist scores. A few years ago the Regent's Exam was given to Capitol region teachers and more than HALF flunked. Repeat: More than half the high school teachers tested failed the exam!

April 1, 2008
4:48 p.m.

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bookworm ( no real name given ) says...

The problem with using standardized test scores to evaluate teachers is that each year the tests are administered to a new group of students. Classes vary widely year to year, with differing student abilities. How can we compare one group's performance to another's and come out with an accurate reflection of teacher effectiveness?

April 1, 2008
10:14 p.m.

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timrinaldo ( no real name given ) says...

I wonder what the situation looks like in private schools? Granted, the student quality may be better (or at least different) than that of the general public school student population, but there still must be teachers who consistently produce better (or worse) results than others. What standards do private schools use? Is there "tenure" in these places? Is this tenure/union thing a function of and result of government-run education?

April 2, 2008
7:44 a.m.

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Pops ( no real name given ) says...

There is simply no statistical method to compare relativistic growth in students in studies as small as one classroom to another. The sample sizes are far too small.

April 2, 2008
9:11 a.m.

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timrinaldo ( no real name given ) says...

I guess you mean "relative growth"?

Not referring to quantum mechanics or philosophical relativism, I assume.

April 2, 2008
10:27 a.m.

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Johnny ( no real name given ) says...

I'm not a teacher, but using test scores to evaluate teacher perfomance is not a great idea. After 180 days of instruction, you're going to evaluate a teacher on three days of ELA assessments? Would Carl Strock be fired for having three bad columns over one year?

A good administrator can walk into any classroom and know what is good teaching and what is bad teaching? It is obvious.

And, what about the demographics? Are the teachers in Niskayuna better than their Schenectady counterparts because the Nisky test scores are better. I guess so.

We all know that the poorer the district is, the worse the test scores are. Why do we constantly look for other factors, like blaming the teachers for the low scores in Schenectady, Albany or elsewhere. Go to www.schoolmatters.com and see for yourself.

The International Charter School just proved that. Let's get great teachers, and let's take a select group of mostly city students and get those scores up and prove that the Schenectady CSD doesn't know what they're doing. A duck will always be a duck.

The result: even lower test scores and the school's closing in June.

April 2, 2008
10:54 a.m.

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timrinaldo ( no real name given ) says...

The point is, teachers should not be immune to job performance evaluations. It's hard to objectively evaluate any employee's performance, but that's one of the functions of management. Tenure with no accountability is not desirable, especially when the salaries are being paid by taxpayers.

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