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Was it wise for President Obama to cut a deal with the Republicans on taxes?

Yes 69% 195 votes
No 30% 84 votes
Total Votes: 279

Note: This is not a scientific poll.

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December 11, 2010
6:22 a.m.

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airedale1950 ( airedale1950 ) says...

From an economic viewpoint it was the wise choice, and in the best interest of the country, but from a political point of view...he had little choice.
Let's face it, he is still a raging liberal, believing with every breath he has to punish the rich and deprive them of any dime he can. It's the party line, and he is a Democrat.
The real truth, and the Democrat parties' problem, is he is also a politician. And being a politician at that level of government trumps party affiliation, morals and loyalties. Get used to it too, him siding with the Republicans, because he and his handlers can read polls, and more than anything or anyone, Obama is a politician. They are driven by two base emotions, self preservation and self promotion. He wants to be reelected. If the party and the country benefit from his poll watching, wonderful. If the party and country take a back seat to his aspirations, too bad...but that will get him back in office and maybe next time follow party doctrine if the situation allows, making his the good guy again.
Truth is, to be reelected, he must be more popular than the other guy, and that means playing both ends against the middle to gain the most favor with voters, and shoveling the largest volume of waste possible onto his opponent at the same time, hopefully winning a second term. He'll have to work on his legacy next, and maybe while doing so the American people will benefit too.

Remember that Bill Clinton did not get reelected because he was a great, or even good President....he was reelected because he was the consummate politician. I almost feel bad for the Democrats...the time of wringing hands and gnashing of teeth has just begun.

December 11, 2010
4:14 p.m.

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FrankLowe ( FrankLowe ) says...

Very well said Airedale50

December 11, 2010
5:50 p.m.

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Fritzdawg ( Fritzdawg ) says...

10 years of those tax cuts failed to produce any jobs, and I don't see them producing any in the future.

When is it that St.Reagan's "trickle" is going to start flowing down anyway?

December 11, 2010
6:07 p.m.

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Fritzdawg ( Fritzdawg ) says...

We should erect a big bronze and granite statue to honor the rich who sacrifice so much for the rest of us.

December 11, 2010
7:38 p.m.

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airedale1950 ( airedale1950 ) says...

Sorry you are not only poor Fritzdawg, but bitter as well.

I made my money courtesy of President Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, and even a little more under the great Philanderer...'till he screwed things up.
But....every cloud has a silver lining and G.W came along to not only solidify my portfolio, but also rebuild the military.
Somehow I know that the inventor of the Internet would have handled things much like the empty suit in Office today...and then I'd be in much the same mess you are Fritzdawg... trying mightily to force others to share their wealth to which I have no claim.
Thankfully we had men like Reagan and Bush 41 and 43 to allow the true entrepreneurial spirit of this nation to blossom.

December 11, 2010
9:27 p.m.

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soule ( soule ) says...

Amen to that Airedale!

December 11, 2010
9:56 p.m.

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Fritzdawg ( Fritzdawg ) says...

It's only dumb to assume I'm poor, and unconscionable to approve of the republicans who voted against health care for the 9-11 first responders (who were featured quite prominently in their campaign ads) until Paris Hilton got her tax break.

December 12, 2010
7:26 a.m.

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airedale1950 ( airedale1950 ) says...

Now I'm the dumb one!....
I'm the guy who never expected monetary gain at the expense of strangers. I'm the guy who watched market trends and economic and political events to gage how and when and why to invest in my business in the most productive manner. I'm the guy who made it possible for employees to live a comfortable life. I'm the guy who made sending their kids off to college possible.
I'm the dummy...because I had to double check to see who Paris Hilton is, and quite frankly, BOTH of us could have done something more productive than paying attention to that person.
First responders deserve all the thanks and respect and admiration we as a nation can bestow upon them, and our nation will be forever grateful.
On November 19, 2010 N.Y. City approved a measure that will provide $625 million dollars for 10,000 first responders for health concerns and injury...many of whom by the way, were simply doing what is outlined in their job description. How much would you like to give them?
I'll bet you were in favor of paying reparations to the families of former slaves, and paying Native Americans for their land ( 3,537,441 sq. miles, so that won't be cheap!) now aren't you?
I don't know about you, but I can unequivocally say that I have never owned a slave, no one in my family has ever owed a slave, or stolen any land from a Native American. But because a bunch of bleeding hearts feel I somehow owe those individuals I should open my wallet to them?
Are you folks insane?

December 12, 2010
10:10 a.m.

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FrankLowe ( FrankLowe ) says...

Airedale1950,
While I agree with most of what you say, I take issue with your defense of Bush 41 and 43. 43 certainly wasn't the demon that media made him out to be and he wasn't a bad president, but neither he nor his father were by any stretch of the imagination fiscal conservatives. W's tax policies helped, but he let congress get away out of control spending when he signed their budgets. There is no imediate fix to the fiscal mess that we're in, but the first step is spending needs to be cut, period. 41 and 43 missed that half of the equation

December 12, 2010
1:20 p.m.

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robersonmj ( robersonmj ) says...

airedale1950 - Fritzdawg did not call you dumb, he politely pointed out that it was dumb to assume that he is poor.

On that point he is correct, and that you might benefit from a little reflection on the manner in which you present yourself in this forum.

As to the question of President Obama and the Republicans, I hold that the core of the Republican program is to shift wealth from the middle class to the wealthy. The poor play little role in this drama, as they have no wealth to shift. I further hold that the Republicans are crafty and shameless in achieving their long terms goals, so the President needs to be very careful in his dealings with his enemies.

In closing, it will come as no surprise that I believe the President was played for a sucker by the people who have openly announced that their goal is to destroy his presidency. Why he does not take a harder line, that is a mystery.

December 12, 2010
5:07 p.m.

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airedale1950 ( airedale1950 ) says...

robersonmj ...I firmly believe that you are indeed holding something, but that is a different discussion.
To actually affirm your belief that the core objective of the Republican party is to steal from the middle class is mind boggling, but not all that surprising. Your statement speaks volumes to a personal theory that the average American is woefully ill equipped to make intelligent, educated decisions on how our country should be run. You may even qualify as poster child!
I'm afraid we are surrounded by Lemmings, mimicking the 10 second sound bites that seem to have become the bread and butter for the democrats and the unions sworn to their allegiance.
How about we actually pick up a Newspaper and read a few issues, or log on, skip Face Book and instead read some definitive writings on issues of the day?
Form your own unique opinion?

What a concept.

December 12, 2010
5:27 p.m.

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Sparkys_Dad ( Sparkys_Dad ) says...

Hey robersonmj:

You said: 'the Republican program is to shift wealth from the middle class to the wealthy'

Wow!
Well said, dude!

The true purpose of the middle class is to buffer (protect) the privileged class from the poor (per George Carlin).

With that said, Mr. Airedale1950 can Kish Mein Touchess.
lol.

December 12, 2010
7:08 p.m.

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airedale1950 ( airedale1950 ) says...

"Dude"...? "Dude"...?

I guess that single quote reinforces my statement from above...

" the average American is woefully ill equipped to make intelligent, educated decisions on how our country should be run."

December 13, 2010
9:43 p.m.

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smith ( smith ) says...

So airedale believes that those making 250000$ and more need these tax breaks, down from 70% tax rate in 1980, down from 91% in 1963, because this low rate causes them to create jobs. How many people has Air. hired in the past two years? How many is he going to hire this year with the continued tax break. Those years of high taxes were the most progressive years for innovation and production. The 250000$ a year and up income bracket is not experiencing any abnormal unemployment or affects of the current depression. Why then haven't the job creation numbers increased, as the Republicans claim the continued tax breaks will effect?

December 14, 2010
11:54 a.m.

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airedale1950 ( airedale1950 ) says...

I have seen an increase in employment for fiscal 2009-2010 of marginal size for my operations state wide...with no lay-offs.
It is probably important to note that while the Obama stimulus money did nothing for my particular bottom line. However, his Universal Health care bill has had a huge impact on my employees.
Negative, but still huge.
Due to increased coverage costs anticipated by the insurance providers expected by the Obama health care law, premium costs are increasing at an alarming rate. These are being passed on to the employers and employees.
Faced with either cutting jobs to remain profitable while absorbing the increases or saving jobs and increasing employee contributions for coverage, I have elected to save the jobs of valued employees. Our average employee is going to see an increase in health care cost for him and his family near 14%. Many eligible workers will see wage increases of 3% so the real cost will be tempered somewhat, but they are still losing ground overall.
Thank You Mr. Obama.

As an aside.......when did we start putting dollar signs behind the numeric sequences in this country? Did I miss another new law???

December 14, 2010
4:23 p.m.

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mossey ( mossey ) says...

Why do we to assume that it's the responsibility of anyone with a comfortable income to create jobs? Their role in job recovery is to keep their money in the bank so others can borrow it and start their own businesses. That's where the jobs will come from.

December 14, 2010
7:22 p.m.

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airedale1950 ( airedale1950 ) says...

Well said mossey!
These guys don't have a clue, they don't have the stomach to go create their own opportunities and have come to expect much more than they deserve.
This nation used to be full of self reliant hard working entrepreneurial spirit...but it seems that has gone the way of the Mom and Pop stores.

 

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