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Where do you stand on same-sex marriage?

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I support full marriage rights 40% 781 votes
I support civil unions or partnerships, but not full marriage rights 21% 408 votes
There should be no legal recognition of a gay or lesbian couple's relationship 35% 681 votes
Not sure 2% 43 votes
Total Votes: 1913

Note: This is not a scientific poll.

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April 17, 2009
4:30 a.m.

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mrmjs (no real name given) says...

GOD..said marriage is between one man and one women...not to be perverted in any other way.

April 17, 2009
8:16 a.m.

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suzieq (no real name given) says...

When did God say that? I don't find it in my Bible.

April 17, 2009
8:34 a.m.

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Jp722 (no real name given) says...

Isn't it time to dump the whole "religion crutch"? God said this, God said that, a big booming voice from the sky that no one can see, and we're to take this and make it a set of life's rules? Haven't enough people died because they said " my god is better than your god?"

Its funny, these are the same religious nuts who want to be taken seriously on the no-no's of life, but yet they actually believe a snake talked.

Lighten up people...marriage is just a word today anyways.

April 17, 2009
8:49 a.m.

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wmarincic ( Bill METRO FORD - Marincic ) says...

Jp722

Look at what has happened with our children once God was taken out of the schools. Look at what is happening in America now that God is being taken out of every aspect of our country which was founded on God.
My question to you is, if we came by way of evolution, where are the walking fish and the half man half ape? Did evolution just end once we had the humans of today? If you answer that I will stand by you 100%.

April 17, 2009
10 a.m.

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Hermes (no real name given) says...

God didn't say any such thing. The Bible can be interpreted to say such a thing -- but seriously, do you REALLY believe that the Bible is literally true -- I very much doubt it. If you do, then I will pray for your daughter, that no one rape her, since after all, the Bible makes VERY clear that if they do, they have to pay you 50 shekels of silver and then she is married to them, WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF DIVORCE. (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) Despite your bigotry, I wouldn't want that to happen to her.

The Bible is a myth, and has nothing to do with ancient Christianity, which predated it - it should have nothing to do with modern Christianity. In reality, following it is a different, newer religion -- one that many theologians I know call "Biblio-idolatry."

mercuryhermes_01@yahoo.com

See: http://www.rebuff.org

April 17, 2009
12:43 p.m.

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NottaPinko (no real name given) says...

Why don't we show how hip we are & just make the law to include marriage to plants, animals, objects, etc. That would really prove how hip we are!!!

April 17, 2009
1 p.m.

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cfoote (no real name given) says...

Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh.

In this one sentence all the laws of sexual morality, which apply to all the B’nai Adom (Sons of Adam) are explained. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, therefore incest is forbidden. It goes on to say; and shall cleave unto his wife, his wife and not someone else’s wife so adultery is forbidden along with sodomy since it is his wife he is clinging to not his boyfriend. And finally, and they shall be one flesh, meaning a) bestiality is forbidden since man and beast are not one flesh – but man and woman are and b) this relationship is a marriage since the man and woman become one new family thus forbidding extra-marital relations. Given that these laws of sexual morality are given to all mankind, they cannot be dismissed as applying solely to Israel. True, some particulars of the Torat HaMishpocha (Laws of the Family) and Torat Niddah (Laws of Purity) only apply to Jews, the basic mores of the Law applies to all mankind. Yes God did say it. To those who believe the Bible is a myth, notice all the Jewish Levitical Law behind it

April 17, 2009
1:13 p.m.

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rustidad (no real name given) says...

Gays are an abomination; proof that human biology has gone awry. This is why so many of you liberals across the north support it!

April 17, 2009
1:35 p.m.

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student (no real name given) says...

I don't see why a person's sexual orientation should matter when it comes to marriage. Who are we to say who has the right to get married and who they are allowed to get married to. It doesn't matter. Everyone is entitled to their own private life. A person's sexual orientation is none of our business. Regardless of sexual preference, if two people love eachother and would like to get married then let them. I don't see why the government feels that they need to meddle in this issue.

April 17, 2009
2:51 p.m.

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wmarincic ( Bill METRO FORD - Marincic ) says...

student

Geez, 200 years ago a 40 year old old man was able to marry a 12 year old girl, should the government not meddle in that? The majority of Americans over 80% say marriage should be between one man and one woman. What gives the government the right to go against the will of the majority of the people. They work for us not the special interest groups or the minority....

April 17, 2009
2:55 p.m.

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Hermes (no real name given) says...

And noting that the Jewish Levitical law is behind it will do what? Prove to me that yes, really, ancient men who barely had the wheel and who lived in small tribes in danger of being wiped out by their neighbors really thought that every effort should be made to reproduce, up to and including taking the virgin girls of conquered cultures and (one can only assume given context and language) making them into sexual slaves (concubines)? (Numbers 31: 17-18) A culture that also endorsed slavery in other forms, including the taking and holding of slaves from other cultures (Leviticus 25: 44-46)?

Yes, Jewish Levitical law can be interpreted to forbid homosexuality, though BY NO STRETCH do all Toraic scholars so interpret it -- but then again, it also clearly forbids the eating of shellfish, the wearing of mixed fabric, the planting of mixed crops - and it says that a Leper who is completely covered in leprosy, instead of just having spots of leprosy is clean (Leviticus 13: 9-13).

Pointing to a book which has clearly been shown to be mythic and saying -- "Look, the book forbids what we said it forbids, and here it establishes what we say it establishes" does nothing to show that the book is "truth" or "inspired" -- the Bible is no more divine than the "Lord of the Rings" is -- and reveals no more real truth.

If you want to prove otherwise, I suggest that rather than trying to assert or holding your breath and waiting for others to agree with you -- you instead replicate one little Bible story. Show some cows striped rods and pray that God will replicate what happened to the cows in Genesis, and that these cows will bear striped calves because they saw the rods. (Genesis 30:37-39) If the cows do -- then at least we can talk. If the cows don't -- and they won't -- then really, perhaps it is time to reconsider something very basic --

The Bible is simply not the basis of Christianity, Christ is -- and idolaters have never impressed me much.

mercuryhermes_01@yahoo.com

see http://www.rebuff.org

April 17, 2009
4:32 p.m.

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mhowie ( Mindy Howie ) says...

I don't understand why church and state have to mix on this. Can't the state make any sort of marriage legal, but the churches retain the right not to have their clergy do a ceremony if their faith is against it?

April 17, 2009
4:34 p.m.

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mhowie ( Mindy Howie ) says...

And to "NottaPinko" above, I think the issue here has always been about consenting adults. Nobody's saying anything about marrying plants or animals or any other absurdity, just consenting adults.

April 17, 2009
8:21 p.m.

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martymefurst (no real name given) says...

All of the folks saying that god said marriage is between one man and one woman didn't really read their Bibles too well. How many wives and concubines did Solomon have? I'll save you the trouble of looking it up - he had 700 wives and 300 concubines. In fact there were no restrictions on the number of wives one could have, the only practical limitation was how many a man could afford. Today, marriage is a secular legal contract in which people have the option of getting a church sanction. I'm not gay, and I only know a handful of gays, but the part of me that wants to see the fair and decent America that I was always raised to believe that we are is incensed that citizens who are expected to fulfill all of the obligations of citizenship do not have full rights to exercise the benefits. There is no logical reasoning for why this is, it's purely emotional --- namely the most ugly emotions of all, hatred and fear.

April 17, 2009
9:25 p.m.

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wmarincic ( Bill METRO FORD - Marincic ) says...

The majority of Americans in every state say NO to same sex marriage. What right does our government have to go against the will of the majority. Period....

April 18, 2009
8:20 a.m.

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HobbesEsq (no real name given) says...

Cfoote, thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law.

I am learning a great deal from you and understand why you oppose same sex marriage. As the bible says, "in the eyes of God marriage is based between a man and a woman." I want to share this knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination... End of debate.

However, I have some questions regarding are some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them.

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? She is 6 years old, healthy, and very smart. She doesn't want to be a slave, so that might be a problem.

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanness - Lev.15: 19 24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is, my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev.21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear contact lenses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though Lev. 19 expressly forbids this: How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? What should we do with the NFL?

Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

April 19, 2009
6:07 a.m.

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Matrix (no real name given) says...

To HobbsEsq, very good, very funny. I can't wait for the answers to your most profound questions.

April 19, 2009
7:48 a.m.

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GVilleResident (no real name given) says...

To HobbsEsq - Bravo ! You made my day !Too funny !
Thanks !

April 19, 2009
7:56 a.m.

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wmarincic ( Bill METRO FORD - Marincic ) says...

HobbesEsq
I'm so happy that you can make fun of the Old Testament. Esq. must mean your a lawyer. What do you call a 1000 lawyers killed in a fire? Thats right, a good start.

Maybe you have heard of the New Testament where Jesus completed Gods Law.

Look, let's not even get into the reigious aspect of this debate. The bottom line is simple, around 80% of everyone in every state say no to same sex marriage, America elects it's leaders to enect the will of the people not the minority. Case closed. BTW I'm not opposed to civil unions.

April 20, 2009
1:23 a.m.

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danio (no real name given) says...

To Martymefurst:
You took the words right out of my mouth! When people talk about the biblical definition of marriage, it kills me. Jacob married 2 sisters for crying out loud!

April 20, 2009
4:29 a.m.

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mrmjs (no real name given) says...

The bible is Gods word, Christianity is the beleif in Christ..therefore who ever denys God denies Christ and vice verse. The bible is the sole authority of God , being his word..as for interpretation if you are of God he shall never fail to give you the right answer if you seek it. Never the less being born again as Christ said you are supposed to , to enter the kingdom of Heaven, it is very easy then to by the comments here to find who has not and who has simply by the revealed heart in which they show here. As it is written ,If you dont beleive in Christ and have faith in him, you shall not enter heaven but eternally judge yourself in hell. That being that the worse judge you will have to face is yourself in your unbeleif. Gods word is final not the self rightous and arrogant nature of manking.

April 20, 2009
8:01 a.m.

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looshous (no real name given) says...

I've noticed in reading the above comments that most are taken from the Old Testament (Before Christ.) If you share the faith that Christ died for "all" sinners (New Testament)then you would know that means for you, for me, and for all mankind. God allowed mankind free will from the very beginning and we blew it plain and simple. We need to face facts people, nobody is better than anyone else here on this Earth, we are equals "like it or not"? We should all be allowed the same rights period! I'm a woman of Christian values however, I believe that God is our final judge and in the end the Almighty word will be final. Until then it's free will all the way baby and we will suffer the repercussions at the judgement seat of Christ. Again, we should all be allowed the same rights, period!

April 20, 2009
9:02 a.m.

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nm (no real name given) says...

I think the first amendment protects me from being governed by your religion.

I am a Christian who believes that the New covenant invites everyone to love God through Jesus Christ. Whether he loves them back is none of your business.

April 20, 2009
9:36 a.m.

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Dr_Chim_Richolds (no real name given) says...

Hobbes... honestly, that was the funniest thing I've read in a long time. My favorite part was about the neighbors. 'Should I smite them?' Too funny! I'm going to be laughing all day at that one. Well said mate.

Rx.

April 20, 2009
10:03 a.m.

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chrissi72 (no real name given) says...

mrmjs, unless you have a special edition, the Bible is MAN'S interpretation of God's word. God did not write the bible, man did. And my bible doesn't say God will love you as long as you're heterosexual. We are all entitled to our own beliefs. Who are you or anyone else to interpret what God would say about gay marriage? If two people love each other and want to make a lifetime committment they should be able to and it should be recognized as any marriage would be.

April 20, 2009
3:27 p.m.

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bundo (no real name given) says...

""mrmjs (no real name given) says...
GOD..said marriage is between one man and one women...not to be perverted in any other way""

This country was founded on freedom for religion AND
freedom from religion. The government should recognize when two consenting adults want to marry irregardless of ones religious beliefs. Diversity is what gives our country it's strength.

April 20, 2009
4:38 p.m.

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areukidding (no real name given) says...

Wow, this was very interesting to read. Honestly, I am at a cross-roads on this. But, for the most part - I think the bible is a tool for people to use. Not to try to claim it as the only right answer. God just wants us to be loving, caring people. He wants us to be happy. I do get annoyed with all the gay stuff being forced at us on TV - couples kissing. Although, I don't like seeing public affection to extreme with anyone. I believe it should be up to each church. Gay people should have the same legal rights. Imagine you are disowned from your parents because you are gay or for some other reason. Then, you and your "partner" have lived together for 20 years and own things together. Maybe even adopted some children. Well, one of you gets in a horrible accident and you are on life support. Someone has to make a decisions - guess what - it will be that family you haven't talked to in 20 years. Ok, say you die - now that family gets to take ownership of your stuff and kick your "partner" out. Now that is just terrible. Pretend the surviving partner was a stay at home whatever, so didn't work and the deceased partner was the bread winner. Well, guess what, the person you love with all your heart and soul will be out in the cold.

Is that a nice, loving thing to happen. No, that is not what God wants.

I think part of me struggles with tradition, but understands why these rights are important.

Bottom line, it is up to the church. The State can allow what it wants.

I just don't want to see all this public display's of affection everywhere I go.

God loves all his people and when we cross over, he will still love us. We will just see how silly we are. We just need to maintain our values of being good human beings and not get carried away with this gay stuff.

Gay does mean HAPPY!

April 20, 2009
4:48 p.m.

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saradec (no real name given) says...

We are supposed to be civilized human beings we are not animals.
Animals don't care because they do not know any better, but humans are suppose too!

April 20, 2009
7:30 p.m.

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FormerSchenectadian (no real name given) says...

A long time ago, my gay friends accused the "institution" as they called it, of marriage to be a paternalistic...something or other, meaning it was really terrible. So it is a surprise they want to try to emulate heterosexual married couples. I think legal partnerships are the only thing that is correct. Marriage was to protect the issue of a couple which were the results of consummation of the marriage. It was protection for each person in civilizing normal heterosexual urges, and providing a legal support for women and children. Since gays cannot concieve children natually they should not need this protection and should only adopt children as singles. Nature does not provide two mothers, and precidentially, legally, not even in divorce, do you get two moms - where you are step mom or dad. We will lose our rights to our children being taught to believe as we do if the schools must teach that gay marriage is right in school...and believe me, they will want it taught. We must be able to teach that nature gives us a male father and a female mother, and they should be married for nice polite civilization.

April 21, 2009
8:19 a.m.

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ChuckT (no real name given) says...

If it was meant to be then why did God supply us with different plumbing ?

April 21, 2009
10:28 a.m.

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beckerz7 (no real name given) says...

Hello everyone. I'm not one to typically voice my opinion on matters that are so controversial, but I feel compelled to. So here goes...
What's so wrong with gay marriage? The most common defenses I've heard are as follows:
1. It goes against the Bible.
(The Bible is a great piece of Fiction, written by a group of middle aged men hundreds of years ago. It's a brilliant novel, but that's about the extent of it.)
2.) It goes against God and Jesus.
(God is a fictitious character, whom has no real identity. And as for Jesus, he was a simple man who was made into The Son Of God. Mary and Joseph probably hooked-up and needed a good cover story. Also, if God is the figure you think he is, why did he create homosexuality? If we're supposedly made in his image, then maybe he tastes the rainbow too.)
3.) Its gross.
(So is blood, guts and gore. But people still go see horror movies. I don't see a movement fighting to stop the production of Action Thrillers in American Film Making. Nothing says you have to enjoy or even witness "the grossness." Unless you're into that kind of thing. Then we have another topic.)
4.) Marriage is between a Man and a Woman: ONLY
(Why? A lot of Gay-Unmarried couples have stayed together longer than Straight-Married couples. Plus, I read somewhere that the economy could really use the boost from allowing Gay-Marriage. You think 22 year old girls want fancy weddings? Think about the 55 year old queens that want them too!)
5.) Same-Sex couples cannot have children.
(That one I fully agree with. This is why they are perfect parents for the MILLIONS of children that are abandoned by their birth-parents. People seem more worried about a child being raised by 2 successful gay men, than about a child being raised by a woman or set of parents living on welfare with drug addictions and 6 other kids.)
6.) Gay parents who raise children will turn that child gay.
(What? By that reasoning, everyone should be straight. And obviously, everyone isn’t.)
7.) Gay Marriage will lead to Polygamy, Incest and Bestiality.
(The first 2 of those 3 can result in children with missing or extra limbs. And the last is not a consensual relationship. That seems to be where the blurriness is. The support of Gay-Marriage is for 2 consenting adults to be able to join together in the union of marriage like any heterosexual couples. )
I fully believe that marriage is not something to be taken lightly. And I feel that it is something that you should only do once. With that said, I don't care if it's a Man/Woman, and Man/Man, or Woman/Woman. As long as they love each other, and are ready to accept the responsibility that comes with marriage, and understand that this isn't a joke, or something to be made a mockery of.
If anyone would like to discuss this further with me, please EMAIL me @ rebeckerz7@yahoo.com, and I will be glad to trade thoughts on the matter.
Thank you.

April 21, 2009
10:54 a.m.

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dan ( Dan Goodspeed ) says...

Well put, beckerz7.

April 22, 2009
7:41 a.m.

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esteban1949 (no real name given) says...

gee how things morlally have changed in the last 40-50 yearsnot only here, but over the nation as a whole. Then We the People wonder why things that were wrong then ( name the thing,act or situatiion here) is ok now...except for tax cheating by state and federal cabinate posts huh ? But back then...Sex was dirty and the air...alot cleaner...huh ???

Go Rats !!

April 22, 2009
9:45 a.m.

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danio (no real name given) says...

For whoever mentioned child producing as an argument for hetero-only marriage, I would like to point out that millions of people are unable to conceive, and that sometimes women who have gone through menopause (either because of age or cancer treatments) want to get married too.
Marriage is about two consenting adults, not the kids.

April 22, 2009
11:38 a.m.

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NYreader (no real name given) says...

For those who say that the Bible is the literal translation of God's word, I invite them to read the foreward of any Revised Standard Version (RSV) of the Bible. The RSV is the most popular edition available today. In the one I just pulled from my bookshelf, the publisher mentions how the great book was rewritten and edited when the Saint James version (popular in the 1800s-1910s) was deemed too antiquated and Christian denominations sought to offer their flocks religious text in a more accessbile format in keeping with current societal mores.
THEREFORE, the words in the RSV Bible and subsequent editions -- which many quote as the word of God -- have been highly edited, massaged and rewritten over the years. And that, my friends, calls into question the argument that the Bible is a literal translation.

Or, if you want to make it even more simple, remember the childhood game of Operator/Telephone? One person would whisper something to the person next to them and so on, until it reached the last person in line. Rarely did the original statement match the last. How can we be sure that what we hear now is the same as the original statement said thousands of years before the invention of the printing press?

Peace

 

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