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Progressives trump up ‘climate change’ so they can control us

Saturday, September 7, 2013
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Progressives trump up ‘climate change’ so they can control us

There has been a lot of back and forth the last few months on “climate change,” which used to be “global warming,” the latest being Kurt Hollocher’s Aug. 31 letter responding to Vito Spinelli’s Aug. 26 letter.

There is climate change going on, just like there has been for the millions of years this planet has existed. Just like there are changes going on to the sun, the stars and planets. Do humans have something to do with it? Probably a very small percentage of what we do may affect the climate. Is it something we can do anything about? No!

I am an accountant, not a scientist or geology professor, [but] I have studied history. You can find a lot of this information in books and on such TV stations as National Geographic Channel, History Channel, National Geographic Channel for Kids, even Animal Planet.

How did the dinosaurs die? How about how did Greenland go from being a lush green place full of vegetation 1,000 years ago to a barren place full of ice? And how did the land masses that are now the seven continents separate from what was once one huge mass of land? Climate change!

The Earth is a living ecosystem; its climates change all of the time, gradually. As for Mr. Hollocher debunking Mr. Spinelli, he was way off base. I was 16 when Time magazine and Newsweek both came out with stories on the coming global cooling due to CO2 [carbon dioxide].

It all has to do with the progressives’ political agenda to control our lives. It started with pollution. So we cleaned up our act. But that wasn’t good enough for them. So they went after the ozone layer, and that wasn’t good enough. So now it is on to CO2, which is the most ridiculous thing ever. This planet could not function without CO2. Anybody who has taken third-grade science knows that.

Since when does consensus in anything mean anything? Science is not based on consensus.

Science is based on theorizing, and then doing experiments to prove or disprove your theory. Using computer models to prove anything is a waste of time since it all depends on the inputs to the computer, which can be skewed to achieve the results you are looking for. Besides, there isn’t a consensus on climate change at all. There are many scientists, climatologists and meteorologists who don’t subscribe to the theory — [including] some who once did but have changed their minds.

I am all for finding alternative forms of energy, [but] the so-called renewable energy systems being touted are not pollution-free, either. The processes and materials used to make solar panels and windmill blades have some very toxic elements.

The climate changers want us to stop drilling for oil and natural gas, and using coal. But they don’t understand that those commodities, particularly oil, are raw materials for almost everything we have today. One day I hope we find that cheap, powerful energy source. But for now, we humans do not have the power to change the climate, for bad or good.

So, don’t give up your freedom for some progressives who want to control our every action. There are more important issues to focus on, like the overreach of the federal government that infringes on our individual liberty.

John Gaetani

Glenville

STAR the only break state’s ‘little guys’ get

Re your Aug. 28 editorial questioning the value of the STAR [New York State School Tax Relief] program:

Lobbyists are sucking the state pension system dry, along with double-dipping state employees, outrageously overpaid school superintendents, etc. (it seems every week another drain on state resources is exposed). People who need financial help through no fault of their own (legitimate STAR recipients) are in danger of being thrown under the bus because people who don’t need help are profiting from bureaucratic oversights and lax enforcement. (Or so the author of the editorial recommends. Indeed!)

Instead of punishing those who really need help with their property taxes (“kicking them when they’re down”), how about closing some of the loopholes that people fortunate enough not to need help paying taxes use at taxpayer expense?

John T. Dillon

Cobleskill

Can’t get enough of Hugh Farley’s pictures

Recently I was thinking that my life would be greatly enriched by some new pictures of my elected representatives.

Lo and behold, what should appear in the next mail delivery but “A Special Report from Senator Hugh T. Farley.” The two-page report contained some information on legislation, expressions of some of Sen. Farley’s opinions and, best of all, five pictures of the senator, using more than one-third of the available space.

A bonus was the fact that the “special report” was mailed with taxpayers’ money, thus cleverly reminding us that Sen. Farley has “always made family tax relief a top priority.”

Thank you, Sen. Farley, for the generous number of pictures. Further thanks will be forthcoming at the polls.

Fred Heitkamp

Schenectady

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September 7, 2013
8:02 a.m.
dmorgan says...

I too love seeing pics of Hugh "cashing in" Farley. Good to now he had to start doubling dipping for his wife's sake. Giving the recent financial disclosures, his wife would be at the soup kitchen if poor Hugh were to pass first.

September 7, 2013
9:03 a.m.
Ahmjrcpa1 says...

To cleanse the sewer[s], do not vote for any incumbent at any level of govt__let them work for an honest living

September 7, 2013
9:23 a.m.
muggy says...

I love the sarcasm aimed at Sen. Hugh Farley. Do you ever get upset with Tonko's mug in mailers? How about the umpteenth photo of Tonko (like today) in the Gazette? Does that bother you? I suspect that your criticism of Farley has more to do with the "R" label than his photo.

September 7, 2013
3:05 p.m.
ronzo says...

Anyone who votes to keep a politician in office for 18 terms - 36 yrs. - deserves all the photos that political hack wants to send them.

September 7, 2013
5:59 p.m.
gina99 says...

The same people complaining about Senator Farley can't wait to vote for Karen Johnson for the 8th time. Muggy has it right as they never complain about the perennial taxing Democrats. Re-elect who?

September 9, 2013
4:20 a.m.
dmorgan says...

On the contrary my friends. I would love to be a NY Republican. Unfortunately, they're all lazy and self serving in the vein of George Pataki, Joe Bruno, Al D'amato and Hugh. How about giving me some Ronald Reagan or Jack Kemp style Republicans. I have no love for Taxin' Tonko either.

September 9, 2013
1:09 p.m.
tonijean613 says...

Dear Mr. Gaetani- Progressive are not in any way shape or form about "controlling" lives- Progressive are about stopping the exploitation of people and our environment-by careless people and corporations- The Progressive view- is that no person or Corporation should have the "Freedom" to pollute our common air, water, land or exploit human beings for profit. Your definition of "Freedom" in this case - is a Freedom from any responsibility to your fellow neighbors and fellow human beings across the globe. Denying climate change and all the negative effects of pollution caused by OVER CONSUMPTION of Fossil Fuels and other natural resources - causes illness from Asthma to Cancer and unimaginable poverty and suffering in far away places- (war for oil, mining of precious metals etc ) therefore the type of "Freedom" that you are attempting to defend is a complete moral failure. So please stop making false statements about what Progressives want or what our intentions are. Our motto is "Live simply, so others may simply live".

September 9, 2013
10:42 p.m.
JLibertarian says...

tonijean613, You are very naive. You don't know what it means to be a Progressive at all. You had better search history to find the real meaning of what a progressive is. They don't care one bit about the climate. What progressives believe is that people are too stupid to make the right decisions for themselves and society as a whole so they have to make the decisions for everyone.

tonijean613, climate change and pollution are not one and the same. I don't believe that we should pollute anything but CO2 is not pollution. It is a necessary gas for all living things, especially plants to survive.

Liberty to me is ones ability to live their life without anyone telling them what to do and when to do it as long as it doesn't harm anyone else's life, liberty, and property. tonijean613, if you live by a motto of "Live simply, so others may simply live", you are not a progressive at all. You may be Amish but you are not a Progressive. tonijean613, so you would have no cars, no electricity, no central air and heating, no appliances, and on and on. My, my, my, what a wonderful world it would be.

September 10, 2013
9:30 a.m.
mkg314 says...

re: Mr. Gaetani

Climate change over geological time frames has little to do with the current problem of global warming where the problem is the thermal imbalance that results in a stop and start but nevertheless relentless increase in surface temperature, and continous increase in subsurface-ocean temperature.

The cooling scare of the '70's was mainly a media event. Among scientists concerned about cooling, most thought that cooling was a short term effect that soon enough would be overwhelmed by warming. Please see this pdf: http://bit.ly/18fOFgi

Anyone with a good high school science education knows that "co2 is good" is a straw-man argument. The problem isn't that co2 is inherently bad, but that an additional amount disrupts the thermal equilibrium. This disruption is known to be true for theoretical reasons, demonstrable in the laboratory, and directly measurable in the atmosphere. To simplify: more heat energy is coming in than is going out, resulting in a temp increase.

Indeed, science is not based on consensus, but rather on an accumulation of evidence. However, it is the consensus of the overwhelming majority of working climate scientists that enough evidence has accumulated to conclude that man made global warming is for real. "Working climate scientists" excludes scientists in other fields, climatologists who are not up to date, engineers, and talk show hosts.

The very few working climate scientists in the denial or doubter camp are free to come up with their own credible models that would explain the multi-decade temp trends without factoring in the rise of co2. It's not an accident that they have not done so. They have not done so because it's not possible.

September 11, 2013
8:12 a.m.
lbobar says...

I truly feel sorry for a world full of people like Mr. Gaetani. I am a scientist, a geologist in fact, and this gentleman should stick to accounting - especially if he gets his information from such channels like History or Discovery, which present programming more about entertaining and promoting an agenda than presenting any accurate information about any topic. I am employed as an environmental consultant, specializing in remediation of hazardous waste sites and development of water resources. I do not wish to opine on the climate change debate, because Mr. Gaetani is correct in one thing - climate has always changed, and always will. However, just about every other comment he had was factually incorrect. We have not even come close to "cleaning up our act" when it comes to cleaning up the environment. Many industrial polluters continue to pollute, and hire their own consultants to find loopholes and other means to avoid environmental regulations and pollution laws. We are still dumping waste into rivers, streams, and oceans - a practice that remains unabated in most third-world countries. And we refuse to consider even a modest reduction of our energy use, because it "infringes on our individual liberty". And as for CO2 not being an issue? Just ask ocean scientists about the observable fact that ocean life is quickly being wiped out by ocean acidification caused directly by human pollution. Or the numerous sea birds in the pacific slowly chocking and starving to death because their stomachs are filled with the plastic waste floating in our oceans. Yes, I am sorry that the "progressives" want to control your ability to wreak havoc on our planet by trying to keep you from polluting and continuing to squander the limited resources we have left in your SUV. I know that your generation is one of the most self-absorbed in history, but perhaps you might take a moment to see beyond yourselves and actually acknowledge that your actions can, and do, have impacts beyond your own little lives. Perhaps then we may have a future on this planet.

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