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Progressives trump up ‘climate change’ so they can control us

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Progressives trump up ‘climate change’ so they can control us There has been a lot of back and forth the last few months on “climate change,” which used to be “global warming,” the latest being Kurt Hollocher’s Aug. 31 letter responding to Vito Spinelli’s Aug. 26 letter. There is climate change going on, just like there has been for the millions of years this planet has existed. Just like there are changes going on to ...

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dmorgan
September 7, 2013
8:02 a.m.

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I too love seeing pics of Hugh "cashing in" Farley. Good to now he had to start doubling dipping for his wife's sake. Giving the recent financial disclosures, his wife would be at the soup kitchen if poor Hugh were to pass first.

sammey
September 7, 2013
9:03 a.m.

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To cleanse the sewer[s], do not vote for any incumbent at any level of govt__let them work for an honest living

muggy
September 7, 2013
9:23 a.m.

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I love the sarcasm aimed at Sen. Hugh Farley. Do you ever get upset with Tonko's mug in mailers? How about the umpteenth photo of Tonko (like today) in the Gazette? Does that bother you? I suspect that your criticism of Farley has more to do with the "R" label than his photo.

ronzo
September 7, 2013
3:05 p.m.

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Anyone who votes to keep a politician in office for 18 terms - 36 yrs. - deserves all the photos that political hack wants to send them.

gina99
September 7, 2013
5:59 p.m.

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The same people complaining about Senator Farley can't wait to vote for Karen Johnson for the 8th time. Muggy has it right as they never complain about the perennial taxing Democrats. Re-elect who?

dmorgan
September 9, 2013
4:20 a.m.

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On the contrary my friends. I would love to be a NY Republican. Unfortunately, they're all lazy and self serving in the vein of George Pataki, Joe Bruno, Al D'amato and Hugh. How about giving me some Ronald Reagan or Jack Kemp style Republicans. I have no love for Taxin' Tonko either.

tonijean613
September 9, 2013
1:09 p.m.

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Dear Mr. Gaetani- Progressive are not in any way shape or form about "controlling" lives- Progressive are about stopping the exploitation of people and our environment-by careless people and corporations- The Progressive view- is that no person or Corporation should have the "Freedom" to pollute our common air, water, land or exploit human beings for profit. Your definition of "Freedom" in this case - is a Freedom from any responsibility to your fellow neighbors and fellow human beings across the globe. Denying climate change and all the negative effects of pollution caused by OVER CONSUMPTION of Fossil Fuels and other natural resources - causes illness from Asthma to Cancer and unimaginable poverty and suffering in far away places- (war for oil, mining of precious metals etc ) therefore the type of "Freedom" that you are attempting to defend is a complete moral failure. So please stop making false statements about what Progressives want or what our intentions are. Our motto is "Live simply, so others may simply live".

JLibertarian
September 9, 2013
10:42 p.m.

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tonijean613, You are very naive. You don't know what it means to be a Progressive at all. You had better search history to find the real meaning of what a progressive is. They don't care one bit about the climate. What progressives believe is that people are too stupid to make the right decisions for themselves and society as a whole so they have to make the decisions for everyone.

tonijean613, climate change and pollution are not one and the same. I don't believe that we should pollute anything but CO2 is not pollution. It is a necessary gas for all living things, especially plants to survive.

Liberty to me is ones ability to live their life without anyone telling them what to do and when to do it as long as it doesn't harm anyone else's life, liberty, and property. tonijean613, if you live by a motto of "Live simply, so others may simply live", you are not a progressive at all. You may be Amish but you are not a Progressive. tonijean613, so you would have no cars, no electricity, no central air and heating, no appliances, and on and on. My, my, my, what a wonderful world it would be.

mkg314
September 10, 2013
9:30 a.m.

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re: Mr. Gaetani

Climate change over geological time frames has little to do with the current problem of global warming where the problem is the thermal imbalance that results in a stop and start but nevertheless relentless increase in surface temperature, and continous increase in subsurface-ocean temperature.

The cooling scare of the '70's was mainly a media event. Among scientists concerned about cooling, most thought that cooling was a short term effect that soon enough would be overwhelmed by warming. Please see this pdf: http://bit.ly/18fOFgi

Anyone with a good high school science education knows that "co2 is good" is a straw-man argument. The problem isn't that co2 is inherently bad, but that an additional amount disrupts the thermal equilibrium. This disruption is known to be true for theoretical reasons, demonstrable in the laboratory, and directly measurable in the atmosphere. To simplify: more heat energy is coming in than is going out, resulting in a temp increase.

Indeed, science is not based on consensus, but rather on an accumulation of evidence. However, it is the consensus of the overwhelming majority of working climate scientists that enough evidence has accumulated to conclude that man made global warming is for real. "Working climate scientists" excludes scientists in other fields, climatologists who are not up to date, engineers, and talk show hosts.

The very few working climate scientists in the denial or doubter camp are free to come up with their own credible models that would explain the multi-decade temp trends without factoring in the rise of co2. It's not an accident that they have not done so. They have not done so because it's not possible.

lbobar
September 11, 2013
8:12 a.m.

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I truly feel sorry for a world full of people like Mr. Gaetani. I am a scientist, a geologist in fact, and this gentleman should stick to accounting - especially if he gets his information from such channels like History or Discovery, which present programming more about entertaining and promoting an agenda than presenting any accurate information about any topic. I am employed as an environmental consultant, specializing in remediation of hazardous waste sites and development of water resources. I do not wish to opine on the climate change debate, because Mr. Gaetani is correct in one thing - climate has always changed, and always will. However, just about every other comment he had was factually incorrect. We have not even come close to "cleaning up our act" when it comes to cleaning up the environment. Many industrial polluters continue to pollute, and hire their own consultants to find loopholes and other means to avoid environmental regulations and pollution laws. We are still dumping waste into rivers, streams, and oceans - a practice that remains unabated in most third-world countries. And we refuse to consider even a modest reduction of our energy use, because it "infringes on our individual liberty". And as for CO2 not being an issue? Just ask ocean scientists about the observable fact that ocean life is quickly being wiped out by ocean acidification caused directly by human pollution. Or the numerous sea birds in the pacific slowly chocking and starving to death because their stomachs are filled with the plastic waste floating in our oceans. Yes, I am sorry that the "progressives" want to control your ability to wreak havoc on our planet by trying to keep you from polluting and continuing to squander the limited resources we have left in your SUV. I know that your generation is one of the most self-absorbed in history, but perhaps you might take a moment to see beyond yourselves and actually acknowledge that your actions can, and do, have impacts beyond your own little lives. Perhaps then we may have a future on this planet.

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