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Education won’t improve until teachers get more respect I am a teacher. I’m certified in New York state and highly effective according to the evaluation system that my district chose. Many of my colleagues are also dedicated and highly qualified professionals. So why is the American system of education failing so many students? I’m not a psychologist, I’m not the parent of any of my students, I can’t help them with their socio-economic status, and ...


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Phils2008
October 27, 2013
6:44 a.m.

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Richard, the Tea Party is trying to wake America up to what the liberals are doing. They put up the fight for fiscal sanity. Damage the economy? Are you serious? You cant have an inflated stock market propped up by an unsustainable program of bond borrowing and not figure a disaster is heading our way. You have totally bought into the DNC talking points that the Tea Party is the villain when in fact they are the ones trying to save your country. Obamacare is what has created massive uncertainty within the business community. When you hear a businessman say Im not hiring because Im not certain where the Tea Party stands let me know.

wmarincic
October 27, 2013
7:10 a.m.

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Christopher J. Ognibene, 60k a year with summers plus a couple weeks around Christmas and every major holiday off after around 5 years is not bad pay. Take into account a 57% graduation rate and the billions of dollars in NTSUT and NYTRS plus the huge school tax bills every year and you have your answer to why people are not happy with N.Y.S education system. Private school teachers work for about 1/3 of what you guys get and they graduate in the 90% range. You are a good teacher but the atmosphere in SHS is not conducive to learning. My daughter is in the military and turned out alright but only because I was very involved with what was going on at school, as you know.

MikeJSilvestri
October 27, 2013
6:22 p.m.

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wmarincic you are correct no teacher should be complaining if they are making 60K around their 5th year. It is the fact that are making less than 50K in their 5th year and do not see 60K till their 11th that leads to complaints.

You have a right to your uninformed opinions regarding the graduation rates of private schools, who can throw out a student who is not meeting certain academic requirements and send them back to the public schools to deal with. But you do not have a right to your own facts about salaries especially when these facts have been pointed out to you before.

Another fact I am sure you will choose to go ignore in future posts because it does not fit your narrative is that the SCSD graduation rate has been steadily increasing and stands at 65%.

wmarincic
October 27, 2013
7:19 p.m.

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WOW Mike Silvestri thinks a 65% graduation rate is commendable. I see you didn't address the Billions in NYSUT and NYSTRS. That's funny, you say teachers don't make 60K till their 11th year but you make 63k in your 9th year. The average salary for full- and part-time workers in the teacher retirement system was $57,000 a year, up 4 percent from the 2010-11 school year. http://www.democratandchronicle.com/stor...
http://rocdocs.com/database/educator-sal...

You keep defending this crappy public education system, if you really cared about the kids you would be supporting school choice.

MikeJSilvestri
October 28, 2013
10:38 a.m.

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Yes by working all summer teaching summer school and working on curriculum and attending PD during the summer and after school.

wmarincic
October 28, 2013
3:22 p.m.

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So don't sit there and say that you can't make 60k after 5 years when the average pay is 57k and that includes teachers aids and anyone else in the school system. You attacked me trying to make me look like I did not have correct numbers when in fact I did. So everything you posted in your attack is untrue.

MikeJSilvestri
October 28, 2013
7:50 p.m.

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You stated "60k a year with summers plus a couple weeks around Christmas and every major holiday off after around 5 years is not bad pay." Therefore based on your criteria we should not be including the summer because according to you that salary was attained without working in the summer. So if we deduct the roughly $4,500 I made in the summer I still fall below your 60K threshold in my ninth year that you state teachers are making around the 5th year. So again based on your criteria you do not have the correct numbers.
I never stated that the 65% graduation rate was commendable I only stated that it was not the 57% you stated, so again you did not have the correct numbers.
You are using average pay for those in the TRS but have no ability to come up with what the average teacher makes because it includes as you stated TAs who make less but also Principals who make more. But even if you have that average salary it would not equate to what a 5 year teacher makes because the average teacher has more than 5 years experience.
I did not address your NYSUT statement because I have no idea what billions you are talking about.

wmarincic
October 28, 2013
9:16 p.m.

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Maybe you should look at the link I posted, you are talking about only Schenectady schools and I'm talking all N.Y. schools. So you make 58K without summers in 9 years, that is far cry from 60 in their 11th, what about 83K in their 13th, want to guess who makes that? We can go on and on, I have nothing against teachers, some of my fondest memories are of teachers. My issue is teachers unions and the public school system as it is today.

ChuckD
October 28, 2013
10:10 p.m.

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Then why are you attacking a teacher?
Why didn't you make that clear in the first place?
Why do you apparently feel poking people in the eye passes as civil discourse?

wmarincic
October 28, 2013
10:35 p.m.

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ChuckD I'm stating a fact, the average graduation rate in this state is less than 60% and teachers unions are putting away billions while our taxes go up and our kids are scared to go to schools. We have liberals like you complaining about the damage they have caused with their liberal school policies and it keeps getting worse. Mr. Silvestri want's to bash private schools but those are the ones graduating kids that can actually read at a high school level.

wmarincic
October 28, 2013
10:35 p.m.

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ChuckD I'm stating a fact, the average graduation rate in this state is less than 60% and teachers unions are putting away billions while our taxes go up and our kids are scared to go to schools. We have liberals like you complaining about the damage they have caused with their liberal school policies and it keeps getting worse. Mr. Silvestri want's to bash private schools but those are the ones graduating kids that can actually read at a high school level.

ChuckD
October 28, 2013
11:30 p.m.

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wmarincic, you're stating a half-baked fact, predictably.
Mike is spot on when he states you 'have a right to your uninformed opinions regarding the graduation rates of private schools, who can throw out a student who is not meeting certain academic requirements and send them back to the public schools to deal with'. I assume you think public schools should become the collection point of the dregs of our society. That's the logical conclusion I see to your point of view.
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I'm literally sickened to hear you and others point their fingers at teachers and lament their 'leisurely lifestyles'. You have no idea. But I feel for the challenges you must have met in school; it appears that connecting-the-dots was something you failed miserably at.

wmarincic
October 29, 2013
6:57 a.m.

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Actually ChuckD, I don't gamble but I will gladly put some money up to go to charity and challenge you to an IQ test. I know you probably won't accept because liberals only donate to things that personally help and affect them.

MikeJSilvestri
October 29, 2013
3:31 p.m.

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I did not bash private schools I only pointed out that you can not compare a school that takes all students to one that gets to pick and choose its student body. Imagine two ballplayers in a HR Derby where one must swing at all 10 pitches thrown but the other gets to swing at only the 10 pitches they like and can let the others go by with no penalty.
I am sorry for my confusion that you were looking at state numbers, your use of 57% a former Schenectady graduation rate led me to believe that that was what you were looking at. If we are going to discuss statewide salaries we really need to take into account the divergent cost of living throughout the state.
Once again though you have stated incorrect facts the average graduation rate in this state for public schools is 74% (meaning the student must have graduated in 4 years)the total graduation rate for public schools is 81% when time limit is not taken into account.
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/irs/pressReleas..., Graduation Rates: Students Who Started 9th Grade in 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008

cheeseburger
October 29, 2013
6:27 p.m.

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my daughter went to scotia glenville schools a few years ago and would come home complaining that her class was not learning anything. one day the teacher who insisted that she be called doctor asked the kids what they would like to do in class and a student yelled out, learn something!. after many complaints, the teacher disapeared from teaching . the students were told that she went on assignment. meaning she couldnt teach but we got rid of her with full pay. turned out she couldnt get tenure at st. rose so she came to work over here and we paid her for doing nothing. its time to end this waste of money and get in educators who can teach or fire them! she wasnt even tenured, she should have been gone.

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