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Schenectady middle school issues grow

Kids fighting, challenging teachers

Schenectady police officers move Mont Pleasant Middle School students down Francis Avenue toward Hulett Street on Friday, October 11, 2013.
Photographer: Peter R. Barber
Schenectady police officers move Mont Pleasant Middle School students down Francis Avenue toward Hulett Street on Friday, October 11, 2013.
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As many as 18 students were suspended from Mont Pleasant Middle School this week amid chaotic scenes of violence and disrespect at the large school. None of the suspended students will ever be allowed back into the middle school, Superintendent Laurence Spring said Friday. “My goal is that they never return to this school,” he said. Girls’ fight club led to larger problems. Click HERE But problems have persisted. He has met with police several ...


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dod
October 12, 2013
7:13 a.m.

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Really not all that surprising

safny
October 12, 2013
7:33 a.m.

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The problems begin at home. Unfortunately, there is no way to hold parents responsible for their children's bad behavior at school. And any adult who goes to a school and engages in a fight outside needs to go to jail so the kids see that it's unacceptable. One thought is staggering the times that students leave school.

birmy
October 12, 2013
7:36 a.m.

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Could this be the teacher's fault? I have read many comments before that discusses how teachers are at fault. I am unsure if those posters will comment? I also wonder if these students are studying a lot at home? Are they taking a stake in their education? Who hit the principal in the face? These questions need to be answered.

wmarincic
October 12, 2013
7:42 a.m.

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When I was a kid in school both myself and a kid got in trouble for talking and fooling around in 6th grade, 1970. The teacher smacked both of us with a yard stick. When the other kids father complained to my father and the school, I got smacked again by my father. BTW, the other kid who's father complained, he is doing life in Attica. I give Kudos to the police who kept control of the situation when they could have rightly arrested some of those parents. This is where the country is headed and you can thank liberalism for it.

airedale1950
October 12, 2013
7:50 a.m.

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No one should be surprised considering the rampant proliferation of one parent, or no parent homes in that section of the city. It would be interesting to know the statistics as to familial and economic make-ups. Our society has gone to hell in a hand basket, children having children, third generation welfare "families"...elderly grandparents raising children. How many of these kids have parents that actually work? How many of these kids come home to a two parent home?
How can the schools expect students to have respect for rules, when they have no respect for themselves? We learn respect from our parents, our mentors and our community. The community these children exist in has no respect for itself or the people next door or on the next block. They have few role models, especially no role model in the home...
Good luck officials ...I certainly don't envy you.
( Here's a tip readers: Invest heavily in companies that provide materiel for prison construction and infrastructure...the forecast looks rosey!)

mezz3131
October 12, 2013
8:24 a.m.

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Get the DA's office and the judges to witness what is going on. The police can make arrests all day long but it only makes matters worse if the DA and judges refuse to prosecute and punish. Whoever is involved in this garbage, white, black, brown or yellow should be treated like the animals they are. Forget respect because they don't deserve it. My tax dollars are being wasted on this scum? As for BIRMY.....don't look to place blame anywhere but where it belongs. These aren't innocent children. They are more dangerous than a lot of the adults and should be treated as such. The parents should be locked up like animals if they are within 500 feet of the school. If they don't like it, home school their kids.....ha ha imagine that.....

Rob1986
October 12, 2013
9:42 a.m.

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Liberalism at its' finest. Let's not act too hasty, because it might hurt the kids' self-esteem. You guys voted for Democrats, now sit back enjoy it.

editorial
October 12, 2013
10:28 a.m.

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What the heck does liberalism have to do with this? Yup, all liberals are for kids fighting with each other, disrespecting teachers, and ignoring police requests. Just ludicrous. The problem is there is no supervision or discipline going on at home, and thus, the kids feel they can do what they want with no repercussions. Getting thrown out of school? Not sure whether that will actually be a punishment, or a reward for these kids? It doesn't sound like learning is their top priority. Kudos to the police for coming in and keeping the peace. Sounds like we have a "Lean on Me'' moment and need a Morgan Freeman-type (Joe Clark) to come in, kick a$$ and turn things around.

irene58
October 12, 2013
10:35 a.m.

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Buck what the state says is required in a principal, and put a former military person at the helm of this school.....

mgfinch
October 12, 2013
10:41 a.m.

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This is what my outrageously high school taxes are supporting? Academic outcomes that are so low they can be tripped over. Criminal behavior in the schools. Use police authority then -- arrest them -- parents & students alike. This isn't "unacceptable behavior" -- this is gangsterism & let's stop using euphemisms.

mgfinch
October 12, 2013
10:59 a.m.

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PS: There are educational programs in jails/prisons.

ChuckD
October 12, 2013
12:04 p.m.

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The accompanying picture tells a lot of the story; a group of white military-like men heading into a minority community. About the only time you'll see them outside their cars there. There's your police-community outreach.

Will1960
October 12, 2013
1:02 p.m.

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“It’s a small geographic area,” he said. “I don’t know if it has anything to do with the closing of Oneida.”

Where these problems occurring before hundreds of kids were shipped over to Mount Pleasant? Get a clue that's staring you right in the face.

wmarincic
October 12, 2013
1:53 p.m.

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Editorial, liberalism caused this because liberals in the 70 right up until today say it is Baaaaaad to hit or discipline a child, I say BS, this is what you get when you don't. ChuckD, another extremely ignorant comment, you don't have a clue. These Police officers are on the streets every day and night in the worse of the neighborhoods.

ChuckD
October 12, 2013
2:09 p.m.

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wmarincic, you don't have a clue who I am. Those cops are on the street, day and night, safe in their cars, and they're mostly white. Again, that's not minority community outreach.

Recruit cops from the community, have them walking the beat becoming familiar faces in the neighborhood winning hearts and minds. Not prowling around like scared soldiers in armored cars clearly out of their element. My suggestion assumes most of the people in that neighborhood are good citizens who would love to have the city's support in taking back their streets and children and not just a simple-minded armed presence. We're better than that.

dod
October 12, 2013
2:38 p.m.

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Lock them all up and toss the keys hahhaha

gina99
October 12, 2013
3:05 p.m.

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More renaissance news from Schenectady. The gang and teen aged pregnancy capital of Upstate New York. Decades of looking the other way with the gang issue has it's consequences.

wmarincic
October 12, 2013
3:41 p.m.

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ChuckD all fine and good but the response time I'm sure is much longer for an overworked police officer having to run to a crime scene as it is to drive in a car. Schenectady had Community Policing Officers walking the beat for quite a while until the calls got greater and the force got smaller. As for minority cops, I know more than a few on the job in Schenectady and there will be more if they apply for the job. And how dare you disrespect and call these men and women who risk their lives every day "scared soldiers in armored cars clearly out of their element". I lived in the Vale neighborhood for over 20 years before finally throwing in the towel. I watched a nice neighborhood turn into a ghetto, I had houses on either side of me having a shootout on two separate occasions with my wife on the floor as our house was hit in the crossfire. I have seen 1st hand what these officers go through daily, where do you think I made my friendships with these cops. You are just another Monday morning quarterback who acts like he knows what the story is but in reality you know nothing.

airedale1950
October 12, 2013
4:21 p.m.

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The genesis of the problem here is as simple to define as it is complicated to correct.
Reproduction without consequence, without conscience and without accountability.
Somehow in this society we allowed the basest of all human drives to go unchecked. We reward promiscuity with additional welfare payments, additional government payola and no practical realistic oversight with consequences. Baby Daddy, Baby Momma...terms a generation ago that never existed, and if they had, would have been whispered in low tones so others would never hear...are badges of public pride today. Never mind we may not know or can't find the baby Daddy for children numbers 1,3, and 4. Baby Daddy #2 is around, but he can't or won't pay child support, because he doesn't have a job, or has to support kids from other Baby Mommas numbered 2-4.
Don't believe that isn't the norm rather than the exception. It happens in those 'hoods ( another wonderful term )on a regular basis. Ask your local welfare worker, or child services advisor. They can tell you tales that will spin the hair off your head!
True family units are far and few between in many neighborhoods in the city, especially with the 17-28 demographic in the poorer neighborhoods. Single parent homes, Grandparents struggling with children thrust upon them by their own negligent offspring tasked to raise good kids in an atmosphere where disrespect for all things good is the norm, leads to the anarchy we are experiencing now.
I don't have a simple solution, the solutions I support would result in the liberals who claim no responsibility for this mess jumping off bridges in despair.
But who knows, maybe a few jumpers might be a good place to start...

Rob1986
October 12, 2013
5:52 p.m.

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The liberals have handcuffed our police departments, created a welfare state and have been coddling criminal behavior for 60 years. If you have to ask what liberalism has to do with it, that pretty much sums it up.

hodgkins.t
October 12, 2013
9:23 p.m.

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This is what happens when the School Board is run by people that do not understand education and whose only purpose on the Board is to minimize short-term tax rates. It was quite clear to many that the myopic vision of Cathy Lewis and Ann Reiley to take a year by year approach to school structure, close a school, and overload others would cause problems. However, the Board does not understand urban education, and the consequences of severely underfunding schools. Creating structural imbalances disrupts the culture of education at schools and inhibits learning. The dramatically increased failure rate and increase in violent behaviors are all testaments to the ignorance of the School Board. The payoffs of the SCOPE Clique are long term educational dissonance in hundreds of children and increased costs for the taxpayers in the form of more police overtime, more crime, more unemployable people.

gina99
October 13, 2013
8:26 a.m.

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Surprised you didn't mention new bored member Ed Kosiur. What is his educational background and mission? Schenectady's problems can't be solved by machine hacks trying to dispense jobs. This is a district that is the worst disgrace in Upstate New York despite millions thrown at it by oppressed City taxpayers. Keep the implosion going!

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