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More Americans need to express outrage over Guantanamo

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More Americans need to express outrage over Guantanamo

Americans appropriately come together in compassion and righteous indignation when they learn of the mistreatment of a dog that is continuously displayed on the news loop.

Meanwhile, many are choosing to ignore the violation of human rights and evidence of torture at the prison at Guantanamo Bay, or they justify it with the claim that it helps keep us safe. While the prison has achieved its purpose of circumventing the law and U.S. Constitution, it is condemned by our friends in the rest of the world, and is also recognized as a recruiting vehicle for those who we proclaim to hate us.

It is strangely gratifying to learn that a few Americans have joined the ongoing hunger strike by detainees, including local war veteran Elliot Adams [June 4 Gazette].

Meanwhile The Gazette reports that the House GOP is acting to prevent the closing that President Obama has ineffectively called for over the last five years.

The president has an option that should now be considered. He could close the prison by proclaiming a pardon for all detainees. There are several precedents. A total of 303 native Americans were condemned to the gallows in 1862 following an uprising in Minnesota. President Abraham Lincoln made the unpopular decision to pardon 265, while the remaining 38 were hanged in the largest mass execution in American history.

More recent controversial examples are President Gerald Ford’s pardon of Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter’s blanket amnesty for Vietnam-era draft dodgers and George H.W. Bush’s pardon of 75 involved in the Iran-Contra affair.

A valid concern is that some of the released detainees will return to their native regions and be recruited as terrorists. This fear can be neutralized by keeping them in the United States, with willing and approved hosts, and requiring them to wear monitors to track their location until there is confidence that they will not be a threat.

Such a bold and decisive action can be condemned now, and judged favorably in the future. President Harry Truman noted that good politics is good policy. If President Obama fails to act decisively, some future president, Democrat or Republican, can be expected to do what he failed to do, but many lives and much money will continue to be tragically wasted in the meanwhile.

Frank Wicks

Schenectady

Schools should do more long-range planning

With most of the school budgets resolved, we have unfortunately heard of the need to lay off teachers as well as other personnel. While this may be a reality in today’s environment, it is never pleasant.

It appears that our school districts could better plan their personnel needs as they move forward with a three- to five-year plan based on projected enrollments and realistic, conservative revenue assumptions. This would allow them to utilize attrition and retirements within their systems to address required reductions and avoid what seems to have become the annual budget crisis.

I also notice that during the time when residents are voting on their school budgets, there always seem to be a cry to approve the budgets “for the kids’ sake.” This begs the question: Are we doing it for “the kids’ sake” when we base our layoffs on seniority? Are we keeping the best, brightest and most effective teachers?

Jim Vincent

Niskayuna

Misplaced priorities in spending of state money

I would like to say thanks to some people — namely the students and teachers of New York and the FEMA [Federal Emergency Management Agency] people — for giving up their school programs, their jobs, and millions of dollars to fix local flood damage so the state (Cuomo) can blow tens of millions of taxpayer dollars on land in the Adirondacks that hardly anyone will ever visit [May 27 Gazette].

That is a lot of money to waste that could have been spent in areas that really needed it!

John T. Hicks

Rotterdam Junction

 
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June 10, 2013
9:41 a.m.
wmarincic says...

Frank Wicks, How many are moving into your home with you're family? These are KNOWN terrorists, they are not some guys that got caught smoking weed, they either killed, attempted to kill or planned to kill Americans. Maybe you forgot the most recent Boston attack by these nice people. Do yourself a favor and Google "Christians stoned in Michigan 2012", those are your nice peaceful tolerant people.

June 10, 2013
2:09 p.m.
gazettereader says...

Unlike some ignorant misconceptions, those in Guantanamo are NOT known terrorists. They are people who have been accused, in many cases falsely, but then imprisoned indefinitely without a trial. And oh, this is what I found when I googled the supposed "Christian stoning" http://www.freep.com/article/20120616/NE... It was a group of crazy Westboro type Christians following muslim families around at a festival yelling at them, brandishing a pig head in their faces, and throwing stuff at them. Then when some of the families started to return fire in self-defense by throwing things back, the christians claimed they were being "stoned" by muslims. Really?

June 10, 2013
2:39 p.m.
wmarincic says...

gazettereader, did you watch the 23 minute video? I did, the church group threw nothing at the people there and in fact they were just awarded $103,000 settlement due to the actions of you're innocent muslims. Please give me one PROVEN instance of a falsely accused person in Gitmo? More than 86 of them have been OKed to leave but their own country refuses them entry? Why? Let me know when the U.S. Govt. accepts your application to host some of those innocent people.

June 10, 2013
8:25 p.m.
ChuckD says...

Here's what the Wayne Co. Sheriff's department said responding to accusations the protestors wee not protected adequately:

"The Wayne County Sheriff's Department saw it differently, placing blame on the protesters for inciting the altercation."

"'While Sheriff Napoleon respects everyone’s right to freedom of speech, it’s unfortunate that some have chosen to exploit and taint what was to be a peaceful, community event,' the department said."

http://dearborn.patch.com/groups/police-...

I did watch the video(s) because I wasn't aware of this. Those who pervert the first amendment the US Constitution to prevent others exercising their religious freedom are bullies and cowards.

So who are you siding with wmarincic? The police or the christian crazies? Tough call, I suppose. Who do you suppose Jesus would side with?

June 10, 2013
9:41 p.m.
wmarincic says...

I'm with the Christians on this, the police handled it wrong. The Constitution is the law of the land, If I want to go to a Muslim event and hand out religious tracts then that is my right. The police were wrong, I can see where they are coming from here though. Michigan is fast becoming the Muslim capital of the U.S. the police have to walk a thin line but this is still America and the police paid for their lack of action. BTW the undersheriff is a Muslim. Also, I don't consider them crazies, I consider them Christians willing to die for Christ, more noble than crazy and I think that also answered you're question about who Jesus would side with.

June 10, 2013
10:06 p.m.
gazettereader says...

So if they're Christians willing to die for christ, they're "noble". If they're muslims willing to die for Allah, they're terrorists. Got it. Glad to see hypocrisy is alive and well.

June 10, 2013
11:26 p.m.
ChuckD says...

"Hand out religious tracts"?!?!
And a pig's head on a pole too? How about the outright insults on the posters? You're dishonest by omission, wmarincic.
Noble Christians indeed!

June 11, 2013
7:28 a.m.
wmarincic says...

I don't remember hearing about Christians killing anyone who did not believe in Jesus. How many Christian suicide bombers are there, how many flew planes into buildings, left bombs at marathons, set bombs to explode in times square, tried and succeeded to blow up planes? gazettereader and chuckd, whatever....

June 11, 2013
3:33 p.m.
gazettereader says...

wmarincic already forgot about the crusades. Where christians killed millions of muslims for not believing in jesus. Far far more than christians killed by muslims.

June 11, 2013
4:29 p.m.
ChuckD says...

Or the Puritans of Massachusetts? Or the anti-abortion terrorists? Not anti-Muslim but 'death to non-believers' none the less. I'm not going to play Whack-a-Mole over this, each side has its socio/psychopaths. Westboro church and their supporters (wmarincic?) are just the latest Christian variety. The Golden Rule, remember that?

June 11, 2013
5:36 p.m.
wmarincic says...

We are talking about today, the Crusades were 800 years ago and the Muslims are still doing now what they were doing then, so obviously someone has not evolved. As far as Westboro Baptist Church, I did not know they murdered non believers. I belong to an organization to honor veterans and have gone to many funerals of soldiers, this organization came about because of the WBC. As much as I dislike the actions of WBC they are protected by the 1st amendment and have a right to their opinions. As much as I dislike them and what they stand for does not give me the right to stone them, even if they are standing on the flag and wishing death on military members, and every Christian Church I know has called the WBC an abomination that is a cult NOT a church, so again you have little knowledge of what you speak about.

June 11, 2013
5:45 p.m.
gazettereader says...

So wmarincic, if you think what happened 800 years ago is no longer relevant, that means you agree that the area that is now Israel properly belongs to the Palestines? You can't have it both ways, ya know.

June 11, 2013
9:14 p.m.
wmarincic says...

I know that the Jews were there long before the Arabs and there is no such thing as Palastine. History of the Term Palestine

Where did the term Palestine originate from? How did the world and the church get into the habit of calling the land of Israel “Palestine”? One of the guides we use in our tours to Israel is Zvi Rivai, an Israeli Messianic believer, who has done considerable research on this subject. Zvi informs us that before 135 A.D., the Romans used the terms Judea and Galilee to refer to the Land of Israel. When Titus destroyed Jerusalem in 70 A.D., the Roman government struck a coin with the phrase “Judea Capta,” meaning Judea has been captured. The term Palestine was never used in the early Roman designations.

It was not until the Romans crushed the second Jewish revolt against Rome in 135 A.D. under Bar Kochba that Emperor Hadrian applied the term Palestine to the Land of Israel. Hadrian, like many dictators since his time realized the propaganda power of terms and symbols. He replaced the shrines of the Jewish Temple and the Sepulchre of Christ in Jerusalem with temples to pagan deities. He changed the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitalina, and changed the name of Israel and Judea to Palestine. Hadrian’s selection of Palestine was purposeful, not accidental. He took the name of the ancient enemies of Israel, the Philistines, Latinized it to Palestine, and applied it to the Land of Israel. He hoped to erase the name Israel from all memory. Thus, the term Palestine as applied to the Land of Israel was invented by the inveterate enemy of the Bible and the Jewish people, Emperor Hadrian.

It is interesting to note that the original Philistines were not Middle Eastern at all. They were European peoples from the Adriatic sea next to Greece. It may have pleased Hadrian to utilize this Hellenistic term for the Jewish land. In any case, the original “Palestinians” had nothing to do, whatsoever, with any Arabs.

June 11, 2013
10:56 p.m.
ChuckD says...

wmarincic, if you're going to cut 'n paste entire paragraphs from others work on the internet, you should attribute that to them. A simple Google search proves you're plagiarizing.

Sheesh.

June 12, 2013
5:40 a.m.
wmarincic says...

It was obvious that it was cut and paste. Liberals!!!!!

June 12, 2013
5:48 a.m.
gazettereader says...

Like it's obvious you didn't know what you were talking about. Instead you choose to plagiarize someone else's work and try to show it off as your own work with no mention of the original author, even going as far as starting off the post with "I know" as if it was knowledge you had. Downright shameful and disrespectful.

June 12, 2013
12:07 p.m.
wmarincic says...

I actually thought I posted the header from the site and didn't realize until it got sent. I ALWAYS show my sources, why not go back and check. Just like a typical lib, when you are losing an argument you change the subject and attack. Right out of the Obama playbook. Have a nice day, you two really aren't worth my time.

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