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Taking the hit for standing on principle

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As for Roy McDonald facing the loss of his state Senate seat, it illustrates something I haven’t seen before — a politician taking a principled stand and paying the price. When has that happened before? At least around here. I mean, McDonald is your basic upstate conservative Republican who seemed to share all the upstate conservative Republican values, including revulsion at homosexuality, but last year, as we all know, he had a change of heart ...


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wmarincic
September 23, 2012
8:45 a.m.

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Strock, you make it sound like it was a bad idea to block illegals from getting a drivers license. What don't you peoople understand about illegal? What about the LEGAL immigrants like my grandfather and those others that built this great country. Almost 90% of people belive it is wrong to give illegals in school tuition in NY, what does that tell you? We are tired of the left trying to force illegals on us just to get their free votes and make no mistake about it, votes is the reason.

ed186
September 23, 2012
9:58 a.m.

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I agree 100% with wmarinic. I am tired of left and their way of forcing their ideas on rest of us. I'm a tea party kind of guy in a lot ways, but a AMERICAN first. It seems to me the dems will do most anything to get votes. Yup,the vote is the reason. You know Tea Party isn't a bad thing,now is it.

smith
September 23, 2012
11:11 p.m.

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As for Roy and his principled stand: well Roy doesn't represent Roy, as it is his constituents' principles he is supposed to be representing--representative government. And his constituents are voting the principles he should have been representing.
You're right, Kathy can be counted on to represent her constituents, and having done the right thing with driver licenses, we have a good example of her integrity.
Cuomo says "political courage" which is what Roy would have if he had stood up to Albany's unethical perverts, but selling his vote for a half million dollars is not courage, it is the want for more, a human weakness often described as greed; everyone wants a little more. At least one RINO was smart enough to take the money and retire.
Roy didn't stand on principle, no one changes there opinion on buggery that quickly; he stands on how-much-money-is-in-it-for-me.
Thirty-two states have voted against Cuomo's marriage exception and a shoe-in incumbent with a ton of money should have walked away with a primary against a new-comer with a child's piggy bank. That tells it all.

airedale1950
September 24, 2012
5:41 a.m.

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The way I understand our rule of law, we elect an individual who is the most representative of our personal beliefs and values overall. He is not our clone, he is not our personal man slave bound to our individual ideology, he is not our personal emissary in the state house doing our personal bidding, he is the candidate endorsed by a party to generally follow the party's philosophy.
He is in no way pledged or bound to be the mirror of each constituent's thinking, which is physically impossible in itself,but to be be representative to the whole. We elect him because he better represents my preferences better than the other guy is expected to represent them.
He is a free man just like those who cast votes for him...and he should vote in a manner that he believes, as our charge, is in the best interests of our (and his!) community as a whole.

The man saw what he believed to be an injustice and took steps to correct it, something others here and in Washington should somehow find the guts to do too. Be a human being, not a lemming.

Woodrow
September 24, 2012
10:20 a.m.

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If Senator McDonald had said No to the tens of thousands in cash given ahead of his vote, you might say his vote was principled. But he didn't.

He said Yes to the cash, and Yes to same-sex marriage. He wasn't a vocal supporter of same-sex marriage before the vote, and he's kept quiet since. Senator McDonald is a phony, and his constituents are not stupid.

robbump
September 24, 2012
5:52 p.m.

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Very thoughtful post, airedale1950.

Do those so frightened of same-sex couples destroying the sanctity of marrage agree that each of us should be allowed one and only one marrage (opposite sex, of course)? That no tax deductions should be given after someone has "cashed in" his/her first opportunity at marrage? Don't you think that Larry King or Newt Gingrich are threats to the sanctity of marrage too, as well as "on demand" divorce? Do you think couples where one or both are infertile should be prohibited from capitalizing from benefits intended to promote families?

airedale1950
September 24, 2012
7:22 p.m.

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Woody baby...about taking all 'that' money...
we know that all politicians take "donations" ...does that mean that all the folk you intend on voting for in this election, who are by definition politicians, would be unprincipled as well?
Doesn't that also make you unprincipled too?

Unless of course you just have an opinion and are not planing on voting.

Woodrow
September 25, 2012
12:02 p.m.

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airedale1950 - So kind of you to provide education on polictical donations. What would we simpletons do without you...

The difference, of course, with Sen. McDonald is that he was the deciding vote. He was not a likely vote for same-sex marriage, yet he became a "principled" supporter after Mayor Bloomberg kicked in $10 grand to start, which was followed by many more donations, then voila! Senator Roy McDonald made history.

My point is that McDonald wasn't a SSM supporter before the quid pro quo vote, and he's not been a mouthpiece for gay causes since. Therefore he's a hypocrite...in my opinion, of course.

airedale1950
September 25, 2012
7:10 p.m.

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Woody, we all have our opinions of your opinions, but..

The operative question here is, are you mad at the way McDonald acted as a representative of his constituents, or do you have a deep seated prejudice against homosexuality in general?
Seems your rather vigorous series of negative responses to the Senators actions project a darker motivation. Speaking from behind the veil of the leather bound Word?
In my opinion of course.

robbump
September 25, 2012
7:55 p.m.

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Woodrow - I don't understand why McD is referred to as the "deciding" vote .. weren't there 4 Republicans who voted for it too? Is it because (maybe) he was called last of any Republican? I'm not being sarcastic - I often hear people on both sides of the aisle blamed or credited with having "cast the deciding vote". I don't know that someone would have to champion ALL SSM actitities to have voted the way he did, and based on his prior record, I continue to wonder if someone - a family member, someone on his staff, maybe the child of a collegue ... someone got him to change his mind - and I'm sure his "war chest" didn't need any "outside" money. He would have been a "shoo-in" for re-election had he not cast that vote.

Woodrow
September 26, 2012
11:30 a.m.

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airedale and robbump - Some can discuss politics, some can't without getting personal about it.

Take care...

airedale1950
September 26, 2012
6:05 p.m.

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Woody...you forgot to answer my question...you took the time to write and inform us you were running and hiding...answer the query first. Are you irate over betrayal by McDonald...or homophobia?

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