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Ellis and City Mission link to the poor

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One thing that strikes me whenever I deal with people at the bottom of the old socioeconomic ladder is the gulf that separates them from the middle-class people who so often call the shots in their lives, people like social services caseworkers, police officers, and landlords, a gulf defined by different ways of looking at the world and different ways of acting. It has long struck Mike Saccocio, too, at City Mission of Schenectady, and ...

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ednajay
May 13, 2012
8:05 a.m.

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Outstanding column - very insightful - should be read by all. Thanks, Carl!

JIMOCONNOR
May 13, 2012
11:08 a.m.

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DITTO

justapto
May 13, 2012
12:18 p.m.

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Stop having kids at 15, Stop doing drugs, stop abusing alchohol, get up before 8 am, stop having the attitude that 'NO on tells me what to do' when you go on job interviews.
The difference for most people who are poor is that is partly their choice.
Like it or not; those who have good educations and middle class jobs have worked to get their.
I grew up in a single family house hold with siblings and was beyond poor. Now I have a business and can't get help or people who are willing to work my schedule or take instruction.
Help these people get educated and jobs. We can not afford to keep paying them to stay home and don't tell me to adopt to their way of living.

mezz3131
May 13, 2012
1:32 p.m.

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It is a good column.
But I want to point out an irony that Mr Strock does not address the religious nature of the Mission. Ironically, for a guy who hates religion, he conviently ignores the religious when it runs contrary to his story. How ironic that he writes this piece as well as the Golub piece when he is charged by many as a religious bigot-- growing soft, Carl?
So Mr Strcok's car didn't blow up? That means he was wrong that there is a fatwa on his head as he was wrong on his bashing of Jews and Christians
Since I am not a Jew or a Muslim, I can't understand that depth of their hurt from his sardonic attacks. But he owes them something-- like a resignation from writing From the paper

hodgkinst
May 13, 2012
9:33 p.m.

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The Federal Reserve would not tolerate full employment- as in Zero Unemployment- not the economists definition of full employment which is about 4% unemployment or 12 million people nationally-, there must be unemployed people to prevent wages from rising, they say.

Great work Strock

tonijean613
May 14, 2012
9:14 a.m.

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Justapo- you sound like a white male who has never faced the stigma of discrimination or subjected to the horror of domestic/family abuse. There are plenty of people waiting in line for work at 8am at Labor Ready. Let us know when you hire one of them. Most are minorities.

Woodrow
May 14, 2012
9:44 a.m.

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Thank you, Ellis. Thank you, Mike Saccocio. And thank you, Carl for a great column.

carolynclayton
May 14, 2012
9:55 a.m.

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Excellent column Carl, with huge depth. Obviously, some of your readers just don't get it and never will.

wmarincic
May 14, 2012
5:02 p.m.

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tonijean613

FYI, white males are as discriminated against as anyone. Maybe you never heard of affirmative action.

ChuckD
May 14, 2012
7:50 p.m.

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I guess if all you know about the world is what you see through the paper towel tube your mommy gave you, then the negativity we see here could be expected. That appears to be how our ersatz conservative friends see the world.

In the grown-up world (and to those of "Faith") we realize that a country is defined by the way it treats those less fortunate, and is made stronger for it. And we realize that all those less fortunate, in fact a vast majority, are not free-loaders. We realize the world is far more complicated than that.

cfield
May 15, 2012
10:49 a.m.

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Hats off to Mr Saccocia, he truly is living in a fairy tale, and as for Carl, he's a moron what more can one say. The poor and indigent of Schenectady call for 911 ALL the time, tooth ache, head ache, stubbed toe, need for a band aid, those are just a few of the typical 911almost next to death(as Strock would have you believe) the city folks wait to call 911 for. As for 60% of the patients in the ER at Ellis life or death patients, Mr. Saccocia would be hard to prove that in means of patients and diagnosis and hospital admissions. Ellis has become of toilet of patients who for no lack of a better reason than "stupidity" would be at their own doctor like you or I. Wanna solve the tax problem in the county and state, stop paying for unnecessary and wastefully $500 cab rides by the ambulance for people who should walk, take a bus, call a cab, drive themselves, or wait to see their doctor instead of calling 911. What do you think it costs the tax payers every time Mohawk transports a non medically necessary complaint to the ED? I bet $$$$. Cab ride $10 bucks!!!!!! You do the math,

wmarincic
May 15, 2012
3:13 p.m.

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cfield
They call the Schdy Police Dept. and threaten to hurt themselves and are taken to Ellis by at least two police officers. They know the system and they are released before the ink is dry on the paperwork. Have Strock check how many psych deliveries that SPD make in a single month to Ellis, it is over 100 and you wonder why there are no police on the streets in Schenectady.

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