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Of course I was pleased to see the other day that a high school student from around here won a $1,000 prize in an essay contest, extolling the glory of property rights, though I admit I was a little taken aback that one of her examples of government intrusion on those rights was zoning regulations, and in particular the regulation of business signs. Zoning? Signs? I thought that was a long-settled question. In fact I ...


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FrankLowe
April 15, 2012
12:16 p.m.

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With all due respect Mr Strock, your words above ring hollow. I doubt you believe a word of what you've written. Perhaps you've written for shock value, or perhaps to please the Gazette editors, who are 100% wrong whenever they opine on private property rights.
Your pieces dealing with waste and excess in government, particularly union issues are always well researched, well written, passionate, and factual. In the above half hearted article, I see some name calling(which you berate others for), I see some vague baseless accusations, and a few irrelevant definitions.

The control freaks who preside over zoning boards are nothing but flunkys who aren't capable of anything constructive, so they prey on those who are constructive, and those who have the inteligence to contribute. Private property is private property, period. I've earned the property I own, and I will do as I wish with it.

Government control of private property, as the Gazette constantly advocates for, is the basis for every repressive authoritarian form of society. The first step for Communism, Facisism and Socialism is the surrender of that which belongs to the individual. Comparing murderous regimes to a zoning board may seem like a stretch to some, but the Stalins, Hitlers, Kims, Chavezs and Castros all started somewhere.

albright1
April 15, 2012
3:32 p.m.

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Strock....I think your getting a little too old for this business. Wikipedia?? really? Wikipedia?? What a buffoon.

mezz3131
April 15, 2012
10:11 p.m.

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Love the above posts: one berates you for Name calling? The other calls you a buffoon? Catch the drift? Quit your job!

Woodrow
April 16, 2012
11:06 a.m.

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Carl- How you turned a teenager's essay award into a one of your bitter, little political diatribes is near amazing.

ssordt
April 16, 2012
11:42 a.m.

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Carl- Since your reference to Wikipedia was so scornfully received, here are a couple additional quotes to reference. I'm sure these guys can be trusted to do the right thing. Not that they pay much attention to the law, anyway. I wonder if the folks who resent the shadow from their neighbors solar collector would agree with unfettered usage of property? Can't please most of the folks most of the time.

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Woodrow
April 16, 2012
12:05 p.m.

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ssordt - How shocking!!! The Koch's are billionaires, and conservatives at that. Maybe, you think, they should be locked up. Why don't you tell us about the insider trading conviction of billionaire, George Soros? You'll even find that in reporter Carl's favorite source of info, Wikipedia.

Soros, of course, is famed also for donating hundreds of millions to liberal causes. I suppose the Koch bros. and Soros end up cancelling out each other with their riches. The truth is that hundreds of millions flow on both sides...

twohands
April 16, 2012
2:02 p.m.

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I was grateful to learn that Fidel Castro got his start on a zoning board. These conversations are sooooo enlightening!

Woodrow
April 16, 2012
2:27 p.m.

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twohands - You came to the wrong place for enlightened conversation. This is the forum for those of us who don't know what we're talking about, yet have strong opinions. Our leader is Carl Strock.

The main difference between Carl and the rest of us is that Carl has experience. He was a lowly cub reporter back in the old days. He worked his way up to part-time, bloviating curmudgeon. He's a cross between Andy Rooney and Archie Bunker, with a little Keith Olberman tossed in.

I know, Carl sounds extremely biased, but he's assured us he's as unbiased and objective as the next reporter. I believe him...

wmarincic
April 16, 2012
4:56 p.m.

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Woodrow, I really did laugh out loud.

spaulding
April 17, 2012
3:15 p.m.

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good column once again, Carl. you're the best. who would have ever guessed that zoning was such a hot topic? but guess what: I recently heard a person claim that, because he defined himself as a 'sovereign citizen,' (see a recent TU lead story on that!), he could shoot a plane out of the sky from his backyard and suffer no consequences. Get this right-wing wackos: just because you own a piece of property does not mean you have a right to do with it anything you please. why? Because you live in a society with laws from which you benefit just like everyone else. what if all of us were shooting down planes from our backyards?

FrankLowe
April 17, 2012
7:26 p.m.

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Spaulding, since you don't understand or appreciate your liberties and freedoms, be my guest and give them up, but keep us out of it. You don't seem to understand that shooting down an airplane is a crime, regardless of where it is committed. It would cause harm to others and damage to others property. Laws protect against crime. Putting up a sign, or adding a porch to a house, or putting up a building on private property is NOT a crime and is no ones business but the owner of the property. It is not the business of beauracrats, politicians, and other do nothings who are incapable of anything constructive.

Woodrow
April 18, 2012
10:14 a.m.

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FrankLowe - I surely agree with you in your knocking down Spaulding's silly example. And I agree partly with you about zoning. While sometimes it seems crazy to have to get approval when adding a porch or deck to a home, because there are some folks whose idea of attractive architecture is ugly and/or dangerous, it becomes necessary.

As for a business putting up a sign, again if the municipality doesn't exert some control, the roads would likely be lined with large, attention-getting signs.

This doesn't touch on the meatier property-rights issues, but maybe Carl can delve into this subject. That should make for some interesting discussion.

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