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Of Palestine, Israel and the idea of return

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Oh, what a burden I labor under. I poke into this or that corner of the universe trying my humble best to please our readers, and what do I get? Calumny and abuse. Vilification and contumely. Take the Israel business. I offered a couple of harmless little traveler’s tales following my vacation there and then figured I was finished with that subject and could get back to my regular territory of teachers’ contracts and Family ...


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wmarincic
April 10, 2012
7:47 a.m.

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When will the coward Strock start bashing Islam?

ljoconnor
April 10, 2012
8:20 a.m.

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Speaking the truth in public is always difficult. It is usually considered polite and civil to disemble. "Sure, honey. That dress doesn't makes you look fat."

Woodrow
April 10, 2012
9:54 a.m.

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Carl - I've appreciated your taking a half-dozen or so columns to talk about your trip, and show us where you stand on the Palestine/Israel issue. I can only go by what you write since I don't know you personally.

Your writing over these last weeks reveals that you are clearly biased against Israel. The fact that you haven't once talked about Palestinian terrorist bombings, including regular rocket attacks, (most recently just days ago). Did you ask any Palestinians about those things? Did you ask any Palestinians about their devotion to the annihilation of Israel?

Woodrow
April 10, 2012
1:13 p.m.

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wmarincic - Did you read Carl's Sunday column?

bsmaven
April 10, 2012
3:49 p.m.

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Would jews who protest in support of palestinians in Israel (not an insubstantial number) worry about their lives for acknowledging it publicly as the people below? Carl take a look at what the mindset is on the other side of this fight, and as I said before the story didn't begin in 1948. If the war of 48 ended differently we would have a much different situation although just as bloody. So maybe the jews should have lost and not created Israel. What is your point Carl?

October 3, 2011
Israeli Army, Muslim Soldiers

McSweeney's is a literary quarterly that's featured the likes ofJonathan Franzen and Elmore Leonard. Quality fiction that gets under your skin is its hallmark. Nonfiction stories about Arab-Israeli soldiers fighting terrorism? Not usually its thing.

In the magazine's latest issue, however, there is just that: a 60-page essay by journalist Chanan Tigay about Arab soldiers (some Christian or Druze, but the majority of whom are Muslim) in theIsrael Defense Forces. The article opens with a literal shock: two of the brigade's Jeeps are driving down a dirt road, and one is blown up by a bomb. The driver is killed.

What prompted McSweeney's to feature Arab-Israeli soldiers was simple: No other media outlet would. Had the jeep's driver been Jewish, writes Tigay, his death would have been plastered across the country's newspapers. However, this Muslim soldier received a civilian burial and no press coverage--all at the request of his family, who lived in Arab villages and feared repercussions from other villagers harboring anti-Israel sentiments.

Life as an Arab Israeli soldier is a conflict on every level. They're a minority within a minority, often contending with violence and distrust both from their fellow soldiers and from the Arab villages where their families live. Tigay never flinches from describing these soldiers’ heroism, and also the difficulties they face.

wmarincic
April 10, 2012
4:58 p.m.

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Woodrow, I did read it and he said that he was afraid to disparage them like he does Christians.

Woodrow
April 10, 2012
5:36 p.m.

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wmarincic - While I may be bothered by Carl's animosity toward Christianity, I certainly don't wish him any ill. Were he to do what you seem to be asking him to do, he would likely be inviting big problems for him and for the Gazette.

I think Carl went as far as he could go, and he explained why. Let's hear what you're willing to say, and make sure and include your name and address.

wmarincic
April 11, 2012
6:34 a.m.
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bsmaven
April 11, 2012
12:49 p.m.

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Ok just to be clear, although I have differed with Carl on his treatment of Israel, my thoughts about Muslims and Arabs have nothing in common with those espoused by wmarincic.

I am all in favor of ending this outdated identification of people by religion or ethnicity or race and having nations where it doesn't matter. All I am saying is that I think Israel for all its obvious flaws, is actually closer to that ideal than any of its neighbors or a potential Palestinian state. I'm for a non-violent, democratic, universal, secular state but not suicide.

wmarincic
April 11, 2012
4:34 p.m.

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Strock is able to disparage Christians with impunity but lets not disparage Muslims....

mezz3131
April 12, 2012
9:09 a.m.

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Stop whining Carl! You are a bigot... You always have been and now you are showing your true colors. They should fire you for your insensitive writing. How cheap is it to print about Islam on Easter Sunday!
What would your grandchildren think? That grandpa is Archie Bunker!

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