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Strock wrong; liberals are the ones who incite violent behavior I take issue with Carl Strock’s Jan. 11 column regarding the immensely tragic and deadly shootings in Tucson, Ariz. It is clear that Mr. Strock intended to politicize this tragedy so as to not let a “good crisis to go to waste.” Leftist radical and street-level agitator Saul Alinsky would no doubt be proud of Mr. Strock’s communist-style effort to isolate, demonize, marginalize, smear and ...

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bookhound
January 17, 2011
4:29 a.m.

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"But those who say right-wing rhetoric was the one factor tipping Loughner misunderstand the complex nature of psychosis. "No single variable explains violence in schizophrenia," write Swanson and eight colleagues in a 2006 paper published in the Archives of General Psychiatry. "Rather, violent behavior occurs within a social-ecological system involving a 'whole person' with a particular life history and state of health." In short, saying Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck caused Loughner's actions is, to put it charitably, completely idiotic."

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FrankLowe
January 17, 2011
5:20 a.m.

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Excellent letter Mr Morris. Very very well said.

ljturner66
January 17, 2011
8:25 a.m.

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Mr Morris, your anger, while palpable and frankly not a little bit frightening, is sadly misdirected. One quote does not an argument make, my friend.

dan
January 17, 2011
12:07 p.m.

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Randy - Are you really trying to say all these militias who hole themselves up in some deep-woods bunker are democrats? I don't think so. You don't see Democrats promoting violence. It's also been my experience that those on the right stick their fingers in their ears and yell "la la la la" when someone around them has a differing opinion. And the “If they bring a knife, we bring a gun” saying has been around so long, it's lost all violent connotation. Yes, when you think about it, that is a violent way to say... i don't know... the first other expression that comes to mind is "fighting a losing battle". But battles and fighting are violent, too. Would you consider that saying as a call to violence? These sayings are so commonplace, they're not interpreted as violent. To come up with fresh new violent imagery, that sort of savage barbaric creativity is reserved for the right and/or the crazy.

JLibertarian
January 17, 2011
4:35 p.m.

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Randy, you are right on. But to C.J. Guare ("Krauthammer column was put in its proper place"), ljturner66, and Dan Goodspeed what planet do you live on? Let me address C.J. Guare first. I don't know what a pre-Civil War southern Senator has to do with violent speech by right-wingers. Are we to believe that the northern Senator who provoked this southern Senator was a right-winger and the southern Senator was a Liberal? I think not if you know your history. In fact, back then it would be the opposite, the northern Senator's liberal views incited the southern Senator to violence. As for C.J. Guare's assertion on the placement of Mr. Krauthammer's column, I am confused by the mention of the Gazette editorial because that editorial had nothing to do with the Tuscan shooting. It was concerning an Alderman in Amsterdam who brought up some violent response to a garbage company executive. Lastly, do you know that Dr. Krauthammer, yes doctor, worked in the Carter administration on psychiatric research or for VP Mondale as a speech writer during the 1980 campaign? Those are two bastions of right-wing politicians.

As for ljturner66, and Dan Goodspeed, especially Mr. Goodspeed, all of you on the left, do exactly what you claim the people of the right do. Which is when someone disagrees with you, you start with the personal attacks, put your fingers in your ears and go "la la la la" like a child, and you say that they are doing the things that you do to bring unrest to society. The tea party people that I had the pleasure of meeting the last two years are not holed up in some back-woods bunker. I have never heard one of them incite violence. In fact the only people who I have heard inciting violence and uprisings are people on the left such as Frances Fox Piven, Van Jones, and the like.

If you want a country in which the government tells you what to do, when to do it, how to do it, what you can and cannot eat, and how much of it, then by all means keep supporting the Democrats and the left. Or maybe you should just move to China. I for one want to live in a country in which, I can do whatever I want as long as it doesn't interfere with another individuals rights to do the same. That is the country I was born in and that is the country we will be again!

John Gaetani

sunflower
January 17, 2011
5:04 p.m.

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I am so disheartened when I read some of the vitriolic letters and comments that have been in the papers lately. I would like to believe that people can debate without demonizing and can disagree with someone's politics without impugning their motives or patriotism.

duke1942
January 17, 2011
5:13 p.m.

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Strock and the rest of leftists hate Fox, Rush, Glen and all the rest who bring the truth to those who want to hear it. Leftists love half-truths and bask in hypocrisy, right from the Leftist Handbook. Strock could have been on vacation and had one of his assistants pull paragraphs from the 'book' to do his latest column. Nice letter Mr. Morris. The truths drive the Leftists crazy! But, of course, they still have Palin and Bush to use as excuses, right from the 'book'.

wmarincic
January 17, 2011
5:14 p.m.

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dan ( Dan Goodspeed ) The riots of the 70s where cities were burned were done by democrats not republicans. I don't know of any republicans that fought against the war and burned Watts to the ground...

wmarincic
January 17, 2011
5:31 p.m.

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Just to add to that SDS, Weathermen, SLA, Black Panthers, and Code Pink are all very liberal organizations that call for the overthrow of the Government. I have never seen a conservative person violently protesting anything. It is always the liberals. look at Greece and the violent protest being waged by the liberals. Wake up America.

WordWiz78
January 18, 2011
12:20 a.m.

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I don't know about the rest of you, but I get a nice long bout of laughter every time I read the blather put forth about how the liberals are to blame or how the conservatives are to blame for all our woes. In case the blatantly obvious has escaped you all, BOTH sides have their share of the blame.

I do find the comparison of Strock to a communist particularly amusing, though, given that the right to present your opinion freely (which is what Strock does) is about as antithetical to communism (the type referred to in the letter, not true communism) as you can get.

I'm also curious how the Guiness book of World Records fits in here. Granted, I haven't read it cover-to-cover, but I don't recall ever seeing categories for Most Violent Political Wing or Greatest Nazi in History. Randy, if you want to shoot off at the mouth, at least make your analogies make sense.

WordWiz78
January 18, 2011
12:31 a.m.

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oh, and I agree with sunflower. It's rather pathetic that so many people seem to think that if someone sees a different POV than them, it automatically makes them wrong, and even more pathetic that rather than civilly debating the subject, they feel the need to resort to junior high insults. If you have a point to make, do it with facts and logic, not with the neener-neener-neener method. If you can't manage that, I believe the Sesame Street boards are open for sandbox arguments.

duke1942
January 18, 2011
1:06 p.m.

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I don't know if Strock is a Communist or not, but they don't like free speech, religion or guns either. I don't think there is such a thing as a conservative Communist! Strock and Communists have one thing in common, they love to communicate 'half-truths' and just like every other commentator they love to quote odd statistics to support their positions. They both probably like and believe network news reporting.

WordWiz78
January 18, 2011
9:50 p.m.

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"Strock and Communists have one thing in common, they love to communicate 'half-truths' and just like every other commentator they love to quote odd statistics to support their positions."

Yes, and dalmatians and cookies and cream ice cream are both black and white, but I wouldn't eat a dalmatian or let a bowl of ice cream guard my home.

Just because two things have one thing in common doesn't mean they are the same.

duke1942
January 19, 2011
4:55 p.m.

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But would you eat an ice cream cake in the shape of a Dalmation or let an ice cream covered Dalmation guard your home? Comparing an actions analogy with a color analogy is kinda apples and oranges, but nice try.

WordWiz78
January 19, 2011
9:48 p.m.

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ok, fine, duke: Hitler's Nazis invaded Poland. Eisenhower's army invaded Normandy. Therefore, since both invaded, they must both be Nazis. Your logic holds less water than a sieve.

duke1942
January 20, 2011
11:22 a.m.

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OK word, but I gave three similarities for each in my analogies and you only gave one for each of yours! Give two more examples of Hilter and Eisenhower actions resembling each other and your half-logic may have some credibility.

WordWiz78
January 21, 2011
10:56 a.m.

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duke: I see where you say "Strock and communists have one thing in common, they love to communicate 'half-truths' and just like every other commentator they love to quote odd statistics to support their positions." That could, I suppose, count as two similarities, in spite of you yourself saying that they have ONE thing in common. I fail to see where you have a third similarity. Are you counting where you say neither likes free speech? Strock is all about free speech, it's what his job is. You're the one who doesn't seem to think he should be allowed to have a different opinion than you. Or are you talking about your conjecture that they probably both "like and believe network news reporting"? That's not fact, that's your belief, apparently based upon nothing.

But, let's assume somewhere in there are three similarities. Okay, Eisenhower and Hitler both commanded armies that invaded other countries. Both commanded armies which killed other people. Both were incredibly driven and determined in their pursuits for what they considered the "right" thing. There, three similarities. Your logic would therefore dictate that since Hitler is a Nazi, so must Eisenhower be. That's your logic, not mine. My statement is that just because two people or things share one, or even a few, common bonds does NOT, by itself, make them one and the same. Explain where the "half-logic" is there. Your logic is that if Subject A and Subject B share three common traits, then Subject A must be the same as Subject B. High school mathematics/logic teaches us that this is faulty logic.

duke1942
January 23, 2011
8:55 a.m.

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Wow! Wiz,if nothing else you are wordy. Congratulations about having all the time you have to write (quote) so much. Strock is all about free speech (as long as it isn't conservative radio or Fox). Aren't opinions great? You must be quoting from the King James version of the Leftist Manual of Strategies! Just kidding. You are hard to take seriously.

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