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I have been following with interest the battle over public-employee unions. If you’re a regular reader, you know I’m not neutral on this subject but rather consider myself a pioneer in my antagonism to the unions. I refer to the collective-bargaining units of cops, firefighters, teachers and office workers, which are sheltered by law from the vicissitudes of the marketplace and accorded privileges and perquisites that bargaining units in private industry could never dream of. ...

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February 22, 2011
8:21 a.m.

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Wisconsin - collective bargaining by the tax payers!

February 22, 2011
11:04 a.m.

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Poor Carl. Your jealousness of all those who have gone on to bigger and better things shows brightly.
You were left behind; perhaps your sour note does not bode well for the job head hunters who have rejected you.

February 22, 2011
12:25 p.m.

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Mr. Strock is enormously talented and, I think, committed to the public weal. Without such talented men and women in the Fourth Estate, we would all be poorer, indeed!

February 22, 2011
2:10 p.m.

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Isn't the term state and local government "worker" an oxymoron? How many crossword puzzles is a state worker required to do before being eligible for a pension? How many highway department people and how many trucks does it take to fill one pot hole? Why does it matter what political party a person belongs to in order to be "allowed" to get that nice municipal job that's handed out by the brother-in-law? How many "staff days" does it take before a teacher becomes tenured? Mr. Strock, thank you for getting this subject going.

February 22, 2011
5:14 p.m.

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I am officially worried about the Myan calender and the end of the world they predict in December 2012. In all the years I have 'partially' read Strock's columns this is honestly the first time EVER I have agreed with him and think he did a 'FOX-worthy' objective lucid writing. Wow! May he keep up this 'new' rational fervor.

February 22, 2011
9:13 p.m.

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February 23, 2011
8:04 a.m.

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Carl - you got it right. Everyone forgets the benefits while working and benefits in retirement that public sector workers get. That all factors into the compensation package as a whole. We in the private sector may make more from a salary perspective, but that money is going into our retirement. I'd dare say it evens out.

I know some very hardworking public servants that, in my opinion, deserve to be treated well while working and after retirement. I have to admit that I'm jealous of some that will have their healthcare taken care of as long as they live.

Keep up the good work.

February 23, 2011
12:30 p.m.

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The only problem with the public service unions is that the local officials who they bargained with...gave away the store! For example--why did they approve pension plans in which payment was based on the average of all earnings during the last 3-5 last years....not the salary anount ? This cause a huge distortion...

Why are they allowed to retire and reiceive full pension at earlier ages than most employees? Why have the been given much better health benefits than other workers?

The blame is not that of the public unions {like every other union, which naturally tries to get the best deal they can for their menbers.....its the fault of the local goverment negotiators!

February 23, 2011
12:40 p.m.

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I had friends who worked for the state who bragged all the time about how much time they could take off and all their benefits.

I also have friends in the public sector who are tremendously hard working and extremely conscientious.

There is good and bad in everything including public employee jobs.

The problem is, public employee unions have "bought" a lot of preferential treatment over the years and they are going to scream very loudly before they give anything up.

February 26, 2011
3:45 p.m.

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@alharris - +1 for you for seeing the forest!