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Witnesses detail teen mob attack in Schenectady

Boys appeared to be trying to impress girls

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Witnesses to a mob beating of a father and son on Phoenix Avenue near Schenectady High School Friday afternoon said the incident was sparked by teenage girls prodding teenage boys. The Plaza, which runs along the school property, is perpendicular to Phoenix Avenue, and neighbors say violence sometimes spills out of the school and onto their streets. Trichia Warren, who lives on Phoenix Avenue, said she witnessed the incident while in her bathroom and called ...


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smallvoice
May 24, 2009
6:18 a.m.

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It's not "...just kids being stupid." The violence after school has been going on for months. But the prime offenders are under 16 so can't be charged.

nygirl61
May 24, 2009
6:49 a.m.

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Start charging the parents for the violence of their under-age children. Maybe if the kids see their mom or dad going to jail overnight for their actions, they would stop. Apparently these children have been raised to have no respect for others. And I agree with SMALLVOICE.. it's not "just kids being stupid"... it's the gang mentality. Bring back the paddy wagons, haul the kids to the police station, finger print them, call their parents, mandate community service for the under-age kids. In other words, make them accountable!

Peggy59
May 24, 2009
7:14 a.m.

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I've seen videos of teens fighting other teens and adults on Youtube.com
many times, along with other equally violent acts such as the "Jackass" stunts. Plant the seed and watch it grow. As a parent of two teenage sons with friends, I have witnessed how these videos affect our young peoples' thoughts. Regulate what our kids are seeing in the media, and I guarantee teen violence will be reduced. This is not just the parents' responsibility. It also lies with those who regulate what is shown to our children via the media.

smilefamily
May 24, 2009
8:12 a.m.

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I hope they find a few offenders and let them rat out their buddies..cause they will...and throw the book at them. Community service to a teen is public humiliation..
It has got to end. These kids have absolutely no respect for their elders, let alone their peers. Start making these kids responsible for their actions. Start making PARENTS responsible for their kids. This is bullying at its very worst. Maybe if Schenectady High School took incidents like this seriously months ago, there would not have been the suicides.

doglover1981
May 24, 2009
9:43 a.m.

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"It's not "...just kids being stupid." The violence after school has been going on for months. But the prime offenders are under 16 so can't be charged."

smallvoice, the 16yr old can be charged still, just because someone is under the age of 16,17 or 18 does not mean whatever crime the commit goes away.

Warm
May 24, 2009
10:59 a.m.

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The problem is that they never make an example out of these kids. When the school was Linton there weren't these problems because the bad kids were at Mt Pleasant. How hard can it be for the school to identify the other kids? They all hang together, is the school really that blind?

Take these kids causing trouble put them in pink jumpsuits and assign then to clean the school that they have been destroying.

We have a bunch of police officers that are being paid to do nothing now, give them a camera and an orange vest and have them do foot patrol around the school. Are the police afraid of snot nosed kids or are they still in the business of selling drugs and don't want to offend their customers?

rjsjsn
May 24, 2009
12:16 p.m.

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I live across from the high school on the plaza and the problems haven't been going on for months but rather years. The school makes an effort but fails. I constantly have kids and now school employees and bus drivers on my yard smoking and leaving garbage. Have gotten into arguments with kids when asking them to leave my property. Make the trouble makers clean the school and surounding areas. Great Idea.

artvandalay
May 24, 2009
12:34 p.m.

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The poor homeowners that purchased homes by Linton High. Mt Pleasant must be reopened as a High School. Eliminate all busing. This horrible School District couldn't care less. Too busy defending terrorists and employing gomares.

Throw the book at them. Charge them with felonies as adult offenders. Throw their parents into prison. Couple blocks from the GE plot? There is no place left to hide. Enough is enough. Where is Mayor Stratton on this outrage?

festus
May 24, 2009
1:10 p.m.

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Check out http://detroitiscrap.blogspot.com and see what happened here when nothing was done to stop the violence.

a6c6c6
May 24, 2009
2:57 p.m.

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How dare you people blame this on kids from Mont Pleasant. I went to both Linton and Mont Pleasant and Linton was much worse than Pleasant. Its just that Mont Pleasant was better for the media so the problems at Linton never came to the surface. I agree that the school is overcrowded and the parents should be held accountable. One has to be reminded if these kids were walking home they live in the Linton area think about that.

litena12
May 25, 2009
8:55 a.m.

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misdemeanors which will be plea bargain down. What a JOKE!!

artvandalay
May 25, 2009
1:29 p.m.

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When did you go to both schools? 40 years ago? Linton was never "much worse" than Mt Pleasant. You need to get real and talk to some SHS area homeowners who see the collaspe caused by one overcrowed, unmanageable school. Kids walk home to Mt P also-take a look at Brandywine.

It's always the media's fault with you cheerleaders. Stop giving them bad news to report. Present some solutions instead of defending the status quo.

proudblackparent
May 25, 2009
6:18 p.m.

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As a Parent of two fine boys who are well mannered and not followers, I will give my two cents. These kid's are all clones of a very negative segment within the Urban and now suburban community. This "Gangsta" Rap and all of the MTV nonsense are having it's affect. My boys were instructed by me and my wife about common sense and thinking for yourself. These kid's get caught up into following and answering to their peers and what do they become? Cloned Zombies. You have got to do something about what the kid's are watching and listening to. It's a bunch of nonsense sold to the youth the past 25 years with this Ghetto Urban Rap Thug philosophy and there you have your gangs. You will never see any more good in America unless America Bans This whole bunch of nonsense.

Youthinschenectady
May 26, 2009
10:47 a.m.

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ALL THESE PEOPLE SAYING THROW THE BOOK AT THEM WOULD NOT BEING SAYING THAT IF IT WAS YOUR CHILD. YOUR COMMENTS ARE IGNORANT AND POORLY STATED. THOSE WHO MAKE COMMENTS LIKE THAT NO NOTHING OF THE YOUTH IN THE CAPITAL REGION. MAKE YOUR OUTLANDISH COMMENTS BUT THEN DO NOTHING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION. THE ANSWER IS NOT JAIL OR THROWING BOOKS AT PEOPLE. THAT TYPE OF MENTALITY IS MORE NEGATIVITY ON TOP OF A DELICATE SITUATION.

artvandalay
May 26, 2009
12:28 p.m.

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You're the problem "no{sic} Nothing". Typical of the ignorant mindset that has taken over this once great City. Would a slap on the wrist be more justified? lol.

My kids wouldn't be beating up people with baseball bats. They wouldn't be pulling senior citizens off bikes and beating them up. Throw the book at any dangerous criminal that hits innocent people with baseball bats. Treat them as adult offenders. Arrest their useless parents. Some "delicate situation"? Decades of looking the other way and saying the horrible City schools were "good enough".

UnbreakableQ
May 26, 2009
2:34 p.m.

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The parents are the problem. Children do what they see and what they are taught growing up.If by high school, your child is meanacing others attacking others being disruptive and abusive? You did something wrong!!!!!

But there is a solution, all is not lost.

The parents (both) custodial and non custodial should be arrested and spend 24hrs in lock-up as well as suffer a $500 fine everytime their minor child is arrested or involved in any crime.
That should wake parents up to the magnitude of responsibility that parenthood holds.
Bottom line. If your child is involved, you are the cause of the problem, and punishing you should motivate you to be a better parent. Why should the rest of society have to suffer because you know how to have intercourse??????? ( Its not rocket science. Just because you can have kids doesnt mean that everyone should)

wmarincic
May 26, 2009
10:16 p.m.

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Warm
Here you go with ANOTHER STUPID COMMENT. The Police can't arrest someone unless they commit a crime. If they just arrested people for their thoughts and stupidity, you would be doing life....

ChuckT
May 27, 2009
7:21 a.m.

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Amen "UnbreakableQ" . One arrest is also troubling . When there is a bank robbery the police cut off all escape routes , why didn't this happen with a " Mob " attack ?.

NYGUY64
May 27, 2009
11:20 a.m.

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I am a resident of Phoenix Ave., and I can verify that this crap has been happening for years. These are all great ideas, but none of them are possible...the ACLU would tie up the city for months or years if they tried anything like holding anyone responsible. There is only one solution (which I am doing)...move out. This city has the highest combined property/school taxes in the region, and the highest in the nation when you take into account taxes vs. property values. With all of the nonsende that goes on in this town, how many residents are proud to say they live in Schenectady?

CourtneyT
May 28, 2009
10:15 a.m.

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Youthinschenectady:
1) The parent of a child who acts like these kids did SHOULD pray that their kid be punished for their actions, since the child clearly cannot control themselves, and the parents can't teach the kid control or responsibility. We don't have the problem children, we understand responsibility, respect, and refrain from violence, and pass it along others. If yours was one of the students involved in this incident, I feel sorry for you and your child. Hopefully you will learn from this, even though its unlikely, since you seem so against punishment where it is due.

2) Comments on this page have been anything but "ignorant", besides yours (nice full CAPS, congrats on relying on font type instead of intellect to get your point across). Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and most of the people who commented also had fact to back theirs up. You do not.

3) "THOSE WHO MAKE COMMENTS LIKE THAT NO NOTHING OF THE YOUTH IN THE CAPITAL REGION"
As a 2008 graduate from Schenectady High School, I am a definite representative of the youth from Schenectady County. I agree with those who are disgusted that more students were not punished, and pray that more will be done in future incidents. As a student at SHS, I saw the violence and chaos that ensued on a daily basis. There are too many good kids being punished for the actions of the uncontrollable ones.
Months before I graduated, the school was put into a partial lock down mode in which all students must be accompanied by a school employee to leave a room during class. Much more often than not, those employees never came. Because of the misconduct within the school, that policy is still in effect, over a year later. This is just one example of the ways that the violent kids inhibit the privileges of students who do nothing wrong. If anyone has any questions or comments on this subject, I would be more than happy to discuss it further.

4)"MAKE YOUR OUTLANDISH COMMENTS BUT THEN DO NOTHING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION"
By definition, "outlandish" means grossly unconventional or unusual. As far as this comment page goes, there is a general consensus. We agree that this behavior is unacceptable and the juvenile offenders should be disciplined. Our views are not so outlandish.
As far as improving the situation, unless we are school officials, city officials, or neighbors with shotguns and no reason to not go to prison, we cannot improve the situation alone. It is by declaring our outrage and teaching our children to be better than those involved that we are improving the situation. What are you doing to help? Rallying against those trying to make criminal acts punishable?

5) The answer should include jail in some situations. Maybe it would prevent the delinquents from committing crimes later in life. These kids need to learn that they cannot behave so violently and get away with it. Are we supposed to pat them on the back and say "just don't do it again!"? I think not.

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